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[Grand Ayatollah Dismantler]

Many people seem to believe the game was lost when Rafael was sent off. But I think the game was lost much earlier. Around the 22md minute, United were 2-0 up and Rooney got injured. He was clearly limping from then on. Fergie should have subbed him then. But for some strange reason he did not. From then on we were playing effectively with 10 men. We lost cohesion. The other players lost concentration. They did not know whether to pass to Rooney or not. Bayern got back in the game even though we later added a third but it was against the run of play (soon after Bayern had fluffed a great chance of their own).

You might say Rafael should not have fouled Ribery for the card. But United started the second half under pressure anyway because we were effectively playing with 10 men with Rooney limping and not making runs.  

I just dont understand why at 2-0 up, Fergie felt the need for Rooney to stay on. I think with Carlos Queiroz gone, we have lost something tactically on the bench.

[mablazo]

I don't believe the Quiroz hype. that guy is the most overrated assistant coach in the world. what has he done on his own to prove his tactical genius other than endlessly hopping from club to country worldwide? Fergie won trophies before and after Quiroz

[mablazo]

why Catman? if I give credit to Quiroz, then I should also give credit to Brain Kidd and that muppet Maclaren? what's special about Quiroz's contribution that was never seen befpre at OT? I don't get it at all

[arsenalmassive]

I think Queiroz actually challenged Fergie about tactics and I believe Fergie actually listened. What was the point in playing a clearly injured Rooney? GAD is right, the game is safe at 2-0 even at 3-0  but Rooney stays on doing nothing clearly struggling??????? The current assistant manager is a yes man, he just goes with what Red Nose says and there was really no need to keep him on.

[Kenyan Virus (Costa)]

Grand Ayatollah Dismantler, on 08 April 2010 - 07:58 AM, said:

Many people seem to believe the game was lost when Rafael was sent off. But I think the game was lost much earlier. Around the 22md minute, United were 2-0 up and Rooney got injured. He was clearly limping from then on. Fergie should have subbed him then. But for some strange reason he did not. From then on we were playing effectively with 10 men. We lost cohesion. The other players lost concentration. They did not know whether to pass to Rooney or not. Bayern got back in the game even though we later added a third but it was against the run of play (soon after Bayern had fluffed a great chance of their own).

You might say Rafael should not have fouled Ribery for the card. But United started the second half under pressure anyway because we were effectively playing with 10 men with Rooney limping and not making runs.  

I just dont understand why at 2-0 up, Fergie felt the need for Rooney to stay on. I think with Carlos Queiroz gone, we have lost something tactically on the bench.

Rafael was the cause of the defeat, Rooney assisted, and his presence was vital.

[Grand Ayatollah Dismantler]

mablazo, on 08 April 2010 - 08:45 AM, said:

why Catman? if I give credit to Quiroz, then I should also give credit to Brain Kidd and that muppet Maclaren? what's special about Quiroz's contribution that was never seen befpre at OT? I don't get it at all

Some coaches are good number twos even if they dont quite cut it as number ones. They may be good at reading a game and at tactics, but dont have the man management abilities to be a number one. I am not saying Fergie is a bad manager - just that sometimes unopererwa on the touch line and you need someone to help with ideas. Someone to whisper something in your ear. This Mike Phelan who replaced Queiroz seems just to be a lackey. With Queiroz you would see him there on the touch line next to Fergie

[mablazo]

my question still stands: what about Brian Kidd and Steve Maclaren?

[Grand Ayatollah Dismantler]

mablazo, on 08 April 2010 - 11:53 AM, said:

my question still stands: what about Brian Kidd and Steve Maclaren?

How many foreign players wanted to play for United when Kidd and McLaren were assistants. Would we have signed Ronaldo, Nani, Tevez, Anderson if Kidd was assistant manager. What role did Queiroz play in getting Ronalso to stay at United for as long as he did (6 years). I think generally Queiroz improved our play tactically and made us more sophisticated

[mablazo]

Grand Ayatollah Dismantler, on 08 April 2010 - 12:15 PM, said:

How many foreign players wanted to play for United when Kidd and McLaren were assistants. Would we have signed Ronaldo, Nani, Tevez, Anderson if Kidd was assistant manager. What role did Queiroz play in getting Ronalso to stay at United for as long as he did (6 years). I think generally Queiroz improved our play tactically and made us more sophisticated

United was one of the earliest teams to have many foreigners in an English team, save for maybe West Ham. I'm not sure which time frame you're talking about, but Arsenal and Chelsea turned to the foreign brigade arouind 1998/99 season. still I don't think Quieroz's role in keeping Ronaldo has anything to do with outr tactical sophistication. I contend that the 1999 team of Yorke/Cole partnership palyed more scintilating football in the opposition half compared to the Ronaldo-led one

[Mahwan]

Quiroez was over hyped i tell you, MADRID HIRED THE BAFOON THINKING HE IS BETTER THAN DEL BOSQUE

[golonice]

Rooney actually contibuted to the 3 goals just by being there, all the Bayern defenders were busy looking for him and watching him, and that enabled Gibson, and Nani(twice) to score. Bayern actually looked shocked that Rooney was starting, its like they had didnt expect him to start and had no back up plan.

Once Rooney left, Bayern got back to what i think they had planned for the night, and it worked.

On the other hand , i think Fergie had not planned for a Rooney exit, hence when Rooney left, he had no ideas. fergie was only left with the option of Berbatov.

The red card i think just made it worse, no one in a Champions league match can survive a red card, even Barca against Arsenal conceded a goal with 10-men at Emirates, its not like in the EPL where you can just sit and defend crosses and set-pieces, even Arsenal against Barca in that Champions League Final, they couldnt hold it with 10 men. The ref ruined ManU hones, but wasnt Fergie, he set up the team allright, they were just unlucky

[marubber]

golonice, on 09 April 2010 - 02:26 AM, said:

Rooney actually contibuted to the 3 goals just by being there, all the Bayern defenders were busy looking for him and watching him, and that enabled Gibson, and Nani(twice) to score. Bayern actually looked shocked that Rooney was starting, its like they had didnt expect him to start and had no back up plan.

Once Rooney left, Bayern got back to what i think they had planned for the night, and it worked.

On the other hand , i think Fergie had not planned for a Rooney exit, hence when Rooney left, he had no ideas. fergie was only left with the option of Berbatov.

The red card i think just made it worse, no one in a Champions league match can survive a red card, even Barca against Arsenal conceded a goal with 10-men at Emirates, its not like in the EPL where you can just sit and defend crosses and set-pieces, even Arsenal against Barca in that Champions League Final, they couldnt hold it with 10 men. The ref ruined ManU hones, but wasnt Fergie, he set up the team allright, they were just unlucky

"No one" is too strong.... Barcelona held off Chelsea in the semi-final last season with ten men.

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[bluboiz]

golonice, on 09 April 2010 - 02:26 AM, said:

Rooney actually contibuted to the 3 goals just by being there, all the Bayern defenders were busy looking for him and watching him, and that enabled Gibson, and Nani(twice) to score. Bayern actually looked shocked that Rooney was starting, its like they had didnt expect him to start and had no back up plan.

Once Rooney left, Bayern got back to what i think they had planned for the night, and it worked.

On the other hand , i think Fergie had not planned for a Rooney exit, hence when Rooney left, he had no ideas. fergie was only left with the option of Berbatov.

The red card i think just made it worse, no one in a Champions league match can survive a red card, even Barca against Arsenal conceded a goal with 10-men at Emirates, its not like in the EPL where you can just sit and defend crosses and set-pieces, even Arsenal against Barca in that Champions League Final, they couldnt hold it with 10 men. The ref ruined ManU hopes, but wasnt Fergie, he set up the team allright, they were just unlucky

bullshit the ref got it spot on , that red card was deserved, both yellow cards were deserved end result two yellow cards=red card.

[splitz]

arsenalmassive, on 08 April 2010 - 10:29 AM, said:

I think Queiroz actually challenged Fergie about tactics and I believe Fergie actually listened. What was the point in playing a clearly injured Rooney? GAD is right, the game is safe at 2-0 even at 3-0  but Rooney stays on doing nothing clearly struggling??????? The current assistant manager is a yes man, he just goes with what Red Nose says and there was really no need to keep him on.

true that. bring in Mour as assitant for 2 years, then take over

[Mahwan]

bluboiz, on 09 April 2010 - 05:37 AM, said:

bullshit the ref got it spot on , that red card was deserved, both yellow cards were deserved end result two yellow cards=red card.

Taura hako, people should just take defeat as it, all these theoies that they weree playing well when they were 11, is b.s, Nayer scored their first before the end of the first half, and if u know bayern u cant put a goal beyond them, especislly when u have a weak defence on the night, Fergie messed up he shpuld have not played him. Even in the first leg, they captilised on Demichelis slip to score, after that he disappeared for the whole game.

[splitz]

Mahwan, on 16 April 2010 - 12:13 PM, said:

Taura hako, people should just take defeat as it, all these theoies that they weree playing well when they were 11, is b.s, Nayer scored their first before the end of the first half, and if u know bayern u cant put a goal beyond them, especislly when u have a weak defence on the night, Fergie messed up he shpuld have not played him. Even in the first leg, they captilised on Demichelis slip to score, after that he disappeared for the whole game.

agh, manje tomumirira here kuti amuke??? its a fact, Bayern would never had gone through against an 11 man United, you know it, im sure they do. As for the 2 yellows, fine it was fair play but Ribbery could have easily been booked for retaliating on the 2nd foul. We got defeated but the ref was harsh on the kid.

[Mahwan]

splitz, on 16 April 2010 - 01:40 PM, said:

agh, manje tomumirira here kuti amuke??? its a fact, Bayern would never had gone through against an 11 man United, you know it, im sure they do. As for the 2 yellows, fine it was fair play but Ribbery could have easily been booked for retaliating on the 2nd foul. We got defeated but the ref was harsh on the kid.

Iwe, did we watch a similar game, why are you saying Bayern could not have managed to beat 11 United men, something that they have been doing since their only significant loss to them was in 1999, i actualy wanted to see if Man.U can outclass them, but they did not over two-legsm, these are cheap excuses, Barca dominated Chelsea with 10 men before. Its not like the kid did not deserve the red. a a Bayern was gathering momentum before his send off! so how did they beat you in the first leg then when every United player was there. Bayern controlled both legs, period. So a team vastly experienced like Man.U failed to play with ten man. Ndozvinonetsa maSupporter emaEPL teams.

[mablazo]

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