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[generaldexter]

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Brother what I am rebuking the evil spirit of dishonesty. You are always here trying to represent the message but you are doing so deceitfully. Deny the message in your own home but do not deceive people on this forum.

I never said you believe women should not preach. But I said the bible verse you used is the same one used by Jezebel women preachers which is the same dominweering spirit that cows men into denying polygamy.

Brother if you have sex with your wife and as long as you have sex with your wife and as long as you reproduce by havin g sex with your wife that is sex law by polygamy and when we stop having sex which is when we are translated that is when all this stops. The final part of the rapture is body translation. You body is not being translated bit by bit it will be translated in the twinklin g of an eye.  


That is bible doctrine. That is absolutely the unadulterated word of God. You keep blaspheming the Word of God then you will answer to God. You do not know what you writing. packing a spoke word but denying the Word of God. That is utter hypocrisy.

You have sex with your wife, you reproduce by having sex with your wife an d the Prophet taught very cleary we are under the sex law by polygamy. When you hypocrites who have sex stop having sex then come tell us about polygamy otherwise we have no time for hypocrites like you who pack the spoken word they do not believe. Now stop deceiving people here. It is bad enough you have deceived yourself but unforgivable that you want to drag others into your deception because of your lack of courage to stand for God.

God has no use for cowards. Brother Branham was absolutely clear we are un der the sex law by polygamy. That is what he taught. You have sex with your wife yet claim polygamy is wrong . What are you a eunuch? You are  deceiver of men annointed by an evil spirit from hell that wants you to deceive people here. Stop this. You have nodesire for the truth. No courage to stand for the courage. When you muster some courage to teach your family the truth then come teach others. I have no use for men who have no courage of their convictions. God has no use for men like that and neither hav e I. You are absolutely wrong and you know it. But you want to drag others with you. Like this is some game we are playing. This aint politics. You are playing with God's Word. Keep doing it and you reap what you sow. Don't be stiff necked denying the word of God because you lack courage.

That bible verse you misquote is clear. It is about salvation. To whosoever will let  him come , he who hunger let him also come. Whether jew or gentile, male or female. It does not matter let him or her come and drink from the fountain that will never run dry. Not co-eqaul covenant what utter lies from hell. Those devil's lies. There is n o co-eqaul as long as you are in this flesh.

Women cannot preach because of the un-eqaul coventant
Women have a dress code because of the un-eqaul covenant
People die because we are still under the un-eqaul covenant
People get sick because we are still under the un-eqaul covenant
You have sex for pleasure because you are under the un-eqaul covenant
You have children by having sex because you are under the un-eqaul

We are all under the sex law by polygamy as taught by the messenger of this age Brother William Marrion Branham. Now you want us to listen to you or him? You are not even ordained minister. Whose word should I believe yours or a vindicated Prophet? Get thee behind me satan you deceiver of men.

MADZIBABA musapedza nguva endai munonyenga mungarohwa panhamba nevamwe, women was made for man and not man for woman, handiti. I understand there is no limit.

Hey, some women are unfortunate!! life of orgy sex. It were better they remained Catholics or Methodist etc than this

[temba]

generaldexter, on 13 August 2011 - 08:46 AM, said:

MADZIBABA musapedza nguva endai munonyenga mungarohwa panhamba nevamwe, women was made for man and not man for woman, handiti. I understand there is no limit.

Hey, some women are unfortunate!! life of orgy sex. It were better they remained Catholics or Methodist etc than this

Thats a funny one my brother!  
You remember bro. generaldexter that one of their leaders has to leave a guard to watch the wives in his absence! What fallacy!

I wonder who watches the guard and the harem!! I suspect the abuse of my person above was meant for the guard ki ki ki ki....

generaldexter, on 13 August 2011 - 08:46 AM, said:

This is waste of time to discuss Christianity with polygamy people. Go ahead marrying and giving in marriages. It is already written, its up to you know which fruit is good or bad for food.
Your type of knowledge will either make you a christian or a son of perdition. I insist polygamy, adultery and fornication do not need any virtue to practice, anyone can do it for it is in every man's nature. But the Holy Spirit in me constrains me to do what is right. The only sense you need for polygamy is LUSTFUL EYES and Viagra (mandarack which Liya gave to jacob for sex the other night)
By the is there Bride amongst the polygamy bunch? Yes if you come out and leave your virtue-less practices!!

Munhu wa Mwari musandityore nekuseka!! Ende chirwere chiri pedyo zvekuti one wacho akachipihwa nagadhi chinono batana na brother ne harem yacho yese!

Maziso a leader wacho anenge achiti one pabhaiberi rimwe paguyu nyowani (sister wechidiki, mhandara)! Breni dzichiita sezvinoita vaye ve ma drugs kuti "ndowanepiko a fix ye viagra after service!"

Aaaah mandisetsa nhasi. Well its always good to see the lighter side of Viagra infested lust!

[chapungu]

I have no time to discuss people who are not part of the forum and if I have an issue with an brother the bible way is to go talk to that brother and not on the forum. These are basics that are not taught by pastors who preach hate because of doctrinal differences.

This is the last time I will discuss this issue with you brothers. I think you are hypocrites and I pray that the Lord will not hold it against you on the day of judgment.

God bless you.

[temba]

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

I have no time to discuss people who are not part of the forum and if I have an issue with an brother the bible way is to go talk to that brother and not on the forum. These are basics that are not taught by pastors who preach hate because of doctrinal differences.

This is the last time I will discuss this issue with you brothers. I think you are hypocrites and I pray that the Lord will not hold it against you on the day of judgment.

God bless you.

I think thats better! There will be more time for one more mhandara and the next possible fix!

[generaldexter]

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

I have no time to discuss people who are not part of the forum and if I have an issue with an brother the bible way is to go talk to that brother and not on the forum. These are basics that are not taught by pastors who preach hate because of doctrinal differences.

This is the last time I will discuss this issue with you brothers. I think you are hypocrites and I pray that the Lord will not hold it against you on the day of judgment.

God bless you.

That is why I sometimes wonder your theology, it is mixed up. Were Christians not told to watch the fruits? Were they not told to go and make right with a BROTHER if they are wronged and if not resolved take a one ot two BROTHERS as witness and finally to the congregation? Were we not instructed not to walk with a christian-professing brother who is an adulterer etc?  

NOW do we go to same church? DID you wrong me in any way? (They shall deceive and be deceived, who cares?)
IF they were our brothers we could apply those scriptures I quoted above.
WE ARE ONLY DESCRIBING FRUIT OF THE POLYGAMY CHURCHES PERIOD.


Religion culminate to FRUIT, Fruit to either Death or Life and to Judgement. You think message believers have time to talk about endless and confused theology? We are interested in the LIFE of Christ not life of Solomon and David his father.

I have not thrown away these pearls to you with a grudge, they are very special!!

[Mountain]

And behold i lay in Sion,a stumbling stone,a rock of offense. Now a foolish person would walk with hobbnailed shoes where an angel would fear to trod(If u dont se it the way i do,do not criticise-Marriage and Divorce 21/02/65). As david walked up Mt olivet,the rejected king,Shimei mocked him  and cursed,and maybe also my brothers,your cursing and mockery is welcome for  maybe the lord will have mercy on us.But remember,on his death bed,David told Solomon to remember what shimei had done,and surely shimei crossed the line of mercy,he was done for,and i sincerely hope that you havent crossed that line too.Even if you may draw a small circle to exclude us from thee,we will draw the bigger circle to include you,even if we may not see scripture the same way,we still treat you as our brothers.I JUST HAVE ONE PARTING WORD,THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF GRACE THAT BRINGS YOU OUT FROM ALL THE CASES YOU ARE ENTANGLED IN,ITS THE VERY BLOOD THAT WASHES YOU CLEAN,AND TO TRAMPLE ON MERCY MEANS THAT WHATS ONLY LEFT IS JUDGEMENT.I LOVE THIS MESSAGE WITH ALL MY HEART,I AM GOING TO LIVE FOR IT AND I WILL DIE FOR,JUST LIKE UNTO ABEL,IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME,I SEE IT PLAINLY WITH MY EYES.GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MY BROTHER CHAPUNGU,THIS IS WHAT I CALL SPIITUAL FOOD IN DUE SEASON,THE ENEMY HAS COME IN LIKE A FLOOD BUT GOD HAS RAISED UP A STANDARD,LETS KEEP THE FIRE BURNING,IT WONT BE LONG,SOON WE WILL BE LEAVING.HALLELUYAH

[temba]

Mountain, on 15 August 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

And behold i lay in Sion,a stumbling stone,a rock of offense. Now a foolish person would walk with hobbnailed shoes where an angel would fear to trod(If u dont se it the way i do,do not criticise-Marriage and Divorce 21/02/65). As david walked up Mt olivet,the rejected king,Shimei mocked him  and cursed,and maybe also my brothers,your cursing and mockery is welcome for  maybe the lord will have mercy on us.But remember,on his death bed,David told Solomon to remember what shimei had done,and surely shimei crossed the line of mercy,he was done for,and i sincerely hope that you havent crossed that line too.Even if you may draw a small circle to exclude us from thee,we will draw the bigger circle to include you,even if we may not see scripture the same way,we still treat you as our brothers.I JUST HAVE ONE PARTING WORD,THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF GRACE THAT BRINGS YOU OUT FROM ALL THE CASES YOU ARE ENTANGLED IN,ITS THE VERY BLOOD THAT WASHES YOU CLEAN,AND TO TRAMPLE ON MERCY MEANS THAT WHATS ONLY LEFT IS JUDGEMENT.I LOVE THIS MESSAGE WITH ALL MY HEART,I AM GOING TO LIVE FOR IT AND I WILL DIE FOR,JUST LIKE UNTO ABEL,IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME,I SEE IT PLAINLY WITH MY EYES.GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MY BROTHER CHAPUNGU,THIS IS WHAT I CALL SPIITUAL FOOD IN DUE SEASON,THE ENEMY HAS COME IN LIKE A FLOOD BUT GOD HAS RAISED UP A STANDARD,LETS KEEP THE FIRE BURNING,IT WONT BE LONG,SOON WE WILL BE LEAVING.HALLELUYAH

Hello Brother Mountain
Although we agree to disagree on this issue of polygamy, I would like to commend you on your humility in giving your views. At least you are not quick to be the JUDGE and JURY on these matters as well as on other persons. I think you should keep that up!

[temba]

generaldexter, on 15 August 2011 - 06:07 AM, said:

That is why I sometimes wonder your theology, it is mixed up. Were Christians not told to watch the fruits? Were they not told to go and make right with a BROTHER if they are wronged and if not resolved take a one ot two BROTHERS as witness and finally to the congregation? Were we not instructed not to walk with a christian-professing brother who is an adulterer etc?  

NOW do we go to same church? DID you wrong me in any way? (They shall deceive and be deceived, who cares?)
IF they were our brothers we could apply those scriptures I quoted above.
WE ARE ONLY DESCRIBING FRUIT OF THE POLYGAMY CHURCHES PERIOD.


Religion culminate to FRUIT, Fruit to either Death or Life and to Judgement. You think message believers have time to talk about endless and confused theology? We are interested in the LIFE of Christ not life of Solomon and David his father.

I have not thrown away these pearls to you with a grudge, they are very special!!

Aptly said! I wouldn't have put it across clearer. Thank you brother.

[temba]

Mountain, on 15 August 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

And behold i lay in Sion,a stumbling stone,a rock of offense. Now a foolish person would walk with hobbnailed shoes where an angel would fear to trod(If u dont se it the way i do,do not criticise-Marriage and Divorce 21/02/65). As david walked up Mt olivet,the rejected king,Shimei mocked him  and cursed,and maybe also my brothers,your cursing and mockery is welcome for  maybe the lord will have mercy on us.But remember,on his death bed,David told Solomon to remember what shimei had done,and surely shimei crossed the line of mercy,he was done for,and i sincerely hope that you havent crossed that line too.Even if you may draw a small circle to exclude us from thee,we will draw the bigger circle to include you,even if we may not see scripture the same way,we still treat you as our brothers.I JUST HAVE ONE PARTING WORD,THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF GRACE THAT BRINGS YOU OUT FROM ALL THE CASES YOU ARE ENTANGLED IN,ITS THE VERY BLOOD THAT WASHES YOU CLEAN,AND TO TRAMPLE ON MERCY MEANS THAT WHATS ONLY LEFT IS JUDGEMENT.I LOVE THIS MESSAGE WITH ALL MY HEART,I AM GOING TO LIVE FOR IT AND I WILL DIE FOR,JUST LIKE UNTO ABEL,IT HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME,I SEE IT PLAINLY WITH MY EYES.GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND MY BROTHER CHAPUNGU,THIS IS WHAT I CALL SPIITUAL FOOD IN DUE SEASON,THE ENEMY HAS COME IN LIKE A FLOOD BUT GOD HAS RAISED UP A STANDARD,LETS KEEP THE FIRE BURNING,IT WONT BE LONG,SOON WE WILL BE LEAVING.HALLELUYAH

Brother
These are nice words that we all can say. No wonder I commended you on humility! But remember that the Word is not based on humility. It is based on you believing the message of your hour/day and being able to marry it with the scriptures that pertain to your day. I have tried, with no success, to cajole you to explain the following utterances from the prophet (in relation to you and your lot's understanding of the M&D sermon):

133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
134 Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you thebackground of it.
135 "Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal
65-0429E THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE_ LOS.ANGELES.CA V-2 N-28 THURSDAY_

220 Even Sarah said, "You know what's going to happen? You're going to have the baby, but I tell you the way we're going to do it. Hagar now is my maid, I'm going to give her to you." Cause, polygamy was legal then.
65-1126 WORKS.IS.FAITH.EXPRESSED_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-7 N-1 FRIDAY_

But, like a politician, you concentrate on matters that purport a revelation that even our prophet (when he was alive) did not instruct in his own church.

[temba]

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Brother what I am rebuking the evil spirit of dishonesty. You are always here trying to represent the message but you are doing so deceitfully. Deny the message in your own home but do not deceive people on this forum.

Imagine. The fact that I say polygamy is unscriptural after our Lord on the Cross, makes me a denier of "the message". The flip side of this is that anyone who does not see polygamy as legal now is deceitful and thus a denier of the message! Here is a number of people that could be labeled the same as I:
1) Bro. Branham since he termed it "legal under the Law"
2) All those that attended bro. Branham's church when he was alive
3) Upwards of 90% of all end time message believers
4) All those saints found at Pentecost where our hearts are supposed to be turned to
5) All the saints in the New Testament

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

I never said you believe women should not preach. But I said the bible verse you used is the same one used by Jezebel women preachers which is the same dominweering spirit that cows men into denying polygamy.

Scripture states women cannot preach --period! The scripture I used (weather used by Catholics, women preachers, agnostics etc.) does not invalidate it. Its valid with the fact that women cannot speak in the church --so simple to understands.

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Brother if you have sex with your wife and as long as you have sex with your wife and as long as you reproduce by havin g sex with your wife that is sex law by polygamy and when we stop having sex which is when we are translated that is when all this stops.

I expect this utterance from people who do not know anything about the message brought by William Branham! This same analogy could easily be applied to the Law in that if you observe the law (eg. Thou shall not kill), that is "the killing law by the the law of Moses". By that analogy, we are thus still under the Law since we do not kill! These are things that were made so clear by the seventh messenger, especially when he expounded on the observance of the Sabbath.

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

The final part of the rapture is body translation. You body is not being translated bit by bit it will be translated in the twinklin g of an eye.

I wonder which message church teaches these untruths! Its true that translation is in the future, but rapture is a process which involves a voice, a shout and a trump. And we are in the middle of that process now. Rapture is a process, as I mentioned to Bro. Mountain earlier. This process will culminate with the translation of the body that you are talking about here.  

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

That is bible doctrine. That is absolutely the unadulterated word of God. You keep blaspheming the Word of God then you will answer to God. You do not know what you writing. packing a spoke word but denying the Word of God. That is utter hypocrisy.

I wish I could decipher (from your alleging remarks) where my denial of the Word is.

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

You have sex with your wife, you reproduce by having sex with your wife an d the Prophet taught very cleary we are under the sex law by polygamy.

Where did he teach that? Don't just give unsubstantiated remarks so you can score points. If you check the context that the prophet used the "now" that is found in the M&D sermon that you seem to rest the whole of your message following, you will see that the context was in reference to the description of what he was saying then. Its like when someone is describing 3 periods, when he describes each of the periods he uses "now" when emphasizing or dwelling on a particular period. There are so many places within that sermon where he uses "now", but because that particular "now" suits your lustful ways, it becomes your STAMPED-OUT doctrine. And whatever he might have said subsequent to your presumptuous statements, seems not to matter since your desired objective will have been fulfilled! Chakabaya chikatyokera! Anyway, there are those (within the ranks of the message) who have to fulfill the 3 kinds of believers.

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

When you hypocrites who have sex stop having sex then come tell us about polygamy otherwise we have no time for hypocrites like you who pack the spoken word they do not believe. Now stop deceiving people here. It is bad enough you have deceived yourself but unforgivable that you want to drag others into your deception because of your lack of courage to stand for God.

This means brother Branham must have been a hypocrite, since he lived for 10 months (post preaching M&D) without a 2nd wife --but also insisting that "polygamy was legal in the Old Testament"!

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

God has no use for cowards. Brother Branham was absolutely clear we are un der the sex law by polygamy. That is what he taught.

Well, that's what you think he taught! Some of us go on further and hear him saying, "That's the reason Jesus had to come through the woman, to bring it back to its original beginning again, without sex desire. He is virgin born". Take note of the word "again" since that means the second time. So to some of us, our Lord Jesus started this "again" process of "bringing it back to the original" and we are on our road to that time of "body translation" where brother Branham said "But, hallelujah, there will come a time where it won't be no more sex, but God shall call His children from the dust of the earth, back like they was in the original, not through any woman; but through the molding of the clay and the cosmic lights, and the petroleum, He will create again like He did Adam at the first time.  ".
When He surrendered His Life on Calvary, He cried, “It is finished”. The price was paid. If you're one of God's children, you were in Christ on Calvary as an attribute because the fullness of the character and nature of the Word (all the attributes of God) were manifested in That One Man. We are thus God's Attributes. When He was born of Mary, we were in Christ. We were in Him when as a Boy, He taught the elders. We were in Him when cruel soldiers mocked and spat upon Him. We were CRUCIFIED in Christ on Calvary and taken from His Side in the Form of the Holy Ghost after He died. We were raised in Him and are NOW seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. That's the reality. Presently, we are just going through the process of faith to realize it –not back to the double covenant which He terminated through His virgin birth that led to Calvary. Calvary "finished" it all. It finished the Law, Double covenant, or you may say all that shadowed/typed Him. He was/is the reality, thus a born-again child is part of that reality. No more polygamy, no more law --but grace! We need to be overcoming the world by the Word -taking a loop from eternity through time to display His attributes.

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

You have sex with your wife yet claim polygamy is wrong .

I do not claim anything. All I do is quote what the seventh messenger said. And here it is in simple bold letters:
209 The morals in our country is lower, and divorces, than it is in France or Italy, where prostitution's on the streets so... But they're prostitutes; ours is married women trying to live with several men, and several married men trying to live with other women.
In the nations where they have polygamy, it's a thousand times better. And yet, polygamy's wrong; we know. 61-0806  THE.SEVENTIETH.WEEK.OF.DANIEL_  JEFFERSONVILLE.IN  DA 89-141  SUNDAY_

133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
134 Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you thebackground of it.
135 "Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal
65-0429E THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE_ LOS.ANGELES.CA V-2 N-28 THURSDAY_

220 Even Sarah said, "You know what's going to happen? You're going to have the baby, but I tell you the way we're going to do it. Hagar now is my maid, I'm going to give her to you." Cause, polygamy was legal then.
65-1126 WORKS.IS.FAITH.EXPRESSED_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-7 N-1 FRIDAY_

[temba]

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

What are you a eunuch? You are  deceiver of men annointed by an evil spirit from hell that wants you to deceive people here. Stop this. You have nodesire for the truth. No courage to stand for the courage. When you muster some courage to teach your family the truth then come teach others. I have no use for men who have no courage of their convictions. God has no use for men like that and neither hav e I. You are absolutely wrong and you know it. But you want to drag others with you. Like this is some game we are playing. This aint politics. You are playing with God's Word. Keep doing it and you reap what you sow. Don't be stiff necked denying the word of God because you lack courage.

The Word you are talking about is not centred on polygamy my dear, it is centred on the whole message of your day. And part of the message of your day is what I have just quoted above, where the prophet tells us what polygamy is all about -not all these obscenities on my person that you seem to be fond of!

If I am "absolutely wrong", then the above quotes have to be absolutely wrong too! Anyone who reads these quotes will wonder where your problem is when these quotes are in simple plain English --nothing encrypted!

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

That bible verse you misquote is clear. It is about salvation. To whosoever will let  him come , he who hunger let him also come. Whether jew or gentile, male or female. It does not matter let him or her come and drink from the fountain that will never run dry.

Misquoting means I did not quote the verse verbatim. But to the contrary, I just took that verse from King James version as it is. The only thing I did is I explained that God sees men and women the same, though we have not yet shaken all the vestiges of the double covenant off just as we have not yet shaken off all the law.

If I had taken that verse the way you seem to be taking it, I would have brought in the fact that the Father has to draw them first for them to be included in the "whomsoever" that you mentioned.  

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Not co-eqaul covenant what utter lies from hell. Those devil's lies. There is n o co-eqaul as long as you are in this flesh.

That's exactly what I am saying! I wonder why you can't comprehend it! Maybe you need to look up the meaning of "vestiges", that might make you understand. There is no co-equalness in this flesh --true. But when God sees us, He sees us according to Galatians 3:[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
That's how God sees men and women --that is scripture. But what you are insinuating needs the Father to draw them first which is in line with predestination. Here is scripture for it:
John 6:[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
So, for anyone to come to Him, the Father has to draw them first. But when they do come, God sees them according to Gal. 3:28. So simple to get!

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Women cannot preach because of the un-eqaul coventant
Women have a dress code because of the un-eqaul covenant
People die because we are still under the un-eqaul covenant
People get sick because we are still under the un-eqaul covenant
You have sex for pleasure because you are under the un-eqaul covenant
You have children by having sex because you are under the un-eqaul

Common sense is not so common, is it? These are the very things that I used the word "vestiges" for in my answers to Brother Mountain! I even advised him to read the book of Romans to get a clearer picture of the flesh vs what Christ did at Calvary. I could easily turn these around to make them support my assertions. For instance, we get fleshly healed which is the earnest of the resurrection, though full resurrection is not yet! We still have these so called vestiges of the double covenant (i.e. sickness, dying, etc.), but are on our way to the time of non-dying. So simple to understand. It does not need a degree or even grade one education!

Paul once said, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?". The fact that he later died in the flesh does not nullify the Truth in this verse. If you are nabu or afritude, you can play see-saw on that verse till gocha nhembe, but a true Christian knows that Paul is not dead. He only moved over to true REALITY that does not pass away! So is it with anything found in the Old Testament --they were shadows of the True reality to come. When That REALITY materialized, all that shadowed Him was magnified by Him to the extend that Paul wrote as follows:

Eph.2:[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Heb. 9:[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the REDEMPTION of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance

Col.2:[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: [11] In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: [12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[20]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Amen brother Paul!
To all those who seem to support this unspeakable polygamy issue, please re-read Hebrews 9:15 and try and marry it with what you think Bro. Branham was saying on this issue in the sermon M&D. Please do this prayerfully and don't just do gudza mudungwe! Remember that a prophet, for him to be a true prophet, cannot deviate from the Word of God!

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

We are all under the sex law by polygamy as taught by the messenger of this age Brother William Marrion Branham.

That is not true! We are not under any law at all --nada, ndaramba! Scripture says so. It even stresses that all the law was magnified by our Lord. So if it was magnified, how can a supposed born-again person still go back to that closed chapter? The Truth is that we are under the "bring it back" by our Lord Jesus as taught by our prophet. That's how He magnified that sex law. Not "LAW" at all --but grace and faith. Only lustful people are still under the sex law, or any law for that matter, just like the SDA's who are still under the observance of the law though preferentially the 3rd commandment! Only ignoramuses gudzamudungwe in denying the resurrection this way! But unfortunately, for the polygamists, their practice was "legal under the old laws observed by the SDA's" and not in the New Testament! Read Hebrews 9:15 above. There is therefore not much difference between SDA's and the so called polygamist "message followers"! Let it be known that for one to be born-again, one must recognize one's day and its Message, otherwise one maybe "souls in prison now" --impersonating the Word for a day gone by, even if they are in the circles of the Message. And a day gone by is this polygamy issue! Noone ever practiced it in all the New Testament, in Brother Branham's life or his contemporary church members that he led. We only see it in the Mormons, Vapostora, Mohammed and his Mohammedans, Mountain, Chapungu, the Gumburas and co. Thats bewildering, for a so-called message believer to be grouped with this lot!!

chapungu, on 13 August 2011 - 03:38 AM, said:

Now you want us to listen to you or him? You are not even ordained minister. Whose word should I believe yours or a vindicated Prophet? Get thee behind me satan you deceiver of men.

Well here is what the "ordained Prophet" says to you:

209 The morals in our country is lower, and divorces, than it is in France or Italy, where prostitution's on the streets so... But they're prostitutes; ours is married women trying to live with several men, and several married men trying to live with other women.
In the nations where they have polygamy, it's a thousand times better. And yet, polygamy's wrong; we know. 61-0806  THE.SEVENTIETH.WEEK.OF.DANIEL_  JEFFERSONVILLE.IN  DA 89-141  SUNDAY_

133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
134 Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you thebackground of it.
135 "Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal
65-0429E THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE_ LOS.ANGELES.CA V-2 N-28 THURSDAY_

220 Even Sarah said, "You know what's going to happen? You're going to have the baby, but I tell you the way we're going to do it. Hagar now is my maid, I'm going to give her to you." Cause, polygamy was legal then.
65-1126 WORKS.IS.FAITH.EXPRESSED_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-7 N-1 FRIDAY_


Lets see if you can rebuke the Satan in him for saying these before and after your favourite out-of-context quotes in M&D sermon! If you don't, then we know who really a coward is!

[chapungu]

temba, on 18 August 2011 - 08:28 PM, said:

The Word you are talking about is not centred on polygamy my dear, it is centred on the whole message of your day. And part of the message of your day is what I have just quoted above, where the prophet tells us what polygamy is all about -not all these obscenities on my person that you seem to be fond of!

If I am "absolutely wrong", then the above quotes have to be absolutely wrong too! Anyone who reads these quotes will wonder where your problem is when these quotes are in simple plain English --nothing encrypted!

Misquoting means I did not quote the verse verbatim. But to the contrary, I just took that verse from King James version as it is. The only thing I did is I explained that God sees men and women the same, though we have not yet shaken all the vestiges of the double covenant off just as we have not yet shaken off all the law.

If I had taken that verse the way you seem to be taking it, I would have brought in the fact that the Father has to draw them first for them to be included in the "whomsoever" that you mentioned.  


That's exactly what I am saying! I wonder why you can't comprehend it! Maybe you need to look up the meaning of "vestiges", that might make you understand. There is no co-equalness in this flesh --true. But when God sees us, He sees us according to Galatians 3:[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
That's how God sees men and women --that is scripture. But what you are insinuating needs the Father to draw them first which is in line with predestination. Here is scripture for it:
John 6:[44] No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
So, for anyone to come to Him, the Father has to draw them first. But when they do come, God sees them according to Gal. 3:28. So simple to get!


Common sense is not so common, is it? These are the very things that I used the word "vestiges" for in my answers to Brother Mountain! I even advised him to read the book of Romans to get a clearer picture of the flesh vs what Christ did at Calvary. I could easily turn these around to make them support my assertions. For instance, we get fleshly healed which is the earnest of the resurrection, though full resurrection is not yet! We still have these so called vestiges of the double covenant (i.e. sickness, dying, etc.), but are on our way to the time of non-dying. So simple to understand. It does not need a degree or even grade one education!

Paul once said, "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?". The fact that he later died in the flesh does not nullify the Truth in this verse. If you are nabu or afritude, you can play see-saw on that verse till gocha nhembe, but a true Christian knows that Paul is not dead. He only moved over to true REALITY that does not pass away! So is it with anything found in the Old Testament --they were shadows of the True reality to come. When That REALITY materialized, all that shadowed Him was magnified by Him to the extend that Paul wrote as follows:

Eph.2:[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Heb. 9:[14] How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? [15] And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the REDEMPTION of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance

Col.2:[10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: [11] In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: [12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. [13] And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; [14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.[20]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Amen brother Paul!
To all those who seem to support this unspeakable polygamy issue, please re-read Hebrews 9:15 and try and marry it with what you think Bro. Branham was saying on this issue in the sermon M&D. Please do this prayerfully and don't just do gudza mudungwe! Remember that a prophet, for him to be a true prophet, cannot deviate from the Word of God!


That is not true! We are not under any law at all --nada, ndaramba! Scripture says so. It even stresses that all the law was magnified by our Lord. So if it was magnified, how can a supposed born-again person still go back to that closed chapter? The Truth is that we are under the "bring it back" by our Lord Jesus as taught by our prophet. That's how He magnified that sex law. Not "LAW" at all --but grace and faith. Only lustful people are still under the sex law, or any law for that matter, just like the SDA's who are still under the observance of the law though preferentially the 3rd commandment! Only ignoramuses gudzamudungwe in denying the resurrection this way! But unfortunately, for the polygamists, their practice was "legal under the old laws observed by the SDA's" and not in the New Testament! Read Hebrews 9:15 above. There is therefore not much difference between SDA's and the so called polygamist "message followers"! Let it be known that for one to be born-again, one must recognize one's day and its Message, otherwise one maybe "souls in prison now" --impersonating the Word for a day gone by, even if they are in the circles of the Message. And a day gone by is this polygamy issue! Noone ever practiced it in all the New Testament, in Brother Branham's life or his contemporary church members that he led. We only see it in the Mormons, Vapostora, Mohammed and his Mohammedans, Mountain, Chapungu, the Gumburas and co. Thats bewildering, for a so-called message believer to be grouped with this lot!!


Well here is what the "ordained Prophet" says to you:

209 The morals in our country is lower, and divorces, than it is in France or Italy, where prostitution's on the streets so... But they're prostitutes; ours is married women trying to live with several men, and several married men trying to live with other women.
In the nations where they have polygamy, it's a thousand times better. And yet, polygamy's wrong; we know. 61-0806  THE.SEVENTIETH.WEEK.OF.DANIEL_  JEFFERSONVILLE.IN  DA 89-141  SUNDAY_

133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
134 Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you thebackground of it.
135 "Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal
65-0429E THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE_ LOS.ANGELES.CA V-2 N-28 THURSDAY_

220 Even Sarah said, "You know what's going to happen? You're going to have the baby, but I tell you the way we're going to do it. Hagar now is my maid, I'm going to give her to you." Cause, polygamy was legal then.
65-1126 WORKS.IS.FAITH.EXPRESSED_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-7 N-1 FRIDAY_


Lets see if you can rebuke the Satan in him for saying these before and after your favourite out-of-context quotes in M&D sermon! If you don't, then we know who really a coward is!

Brother if you are right God will vindicate you and if I am right God will vindicate me. I have no desire to discuss personalities. I will not discuss your hypocritical fallen pastors who deny polygamy in the pulpit and yet have small houses for 20 years. That is for hypocrites. I have no desire to respond to you on this issue or any other issue. You are a hypocrite and a coward and I have absolutely no time for deceivers like you. Again if you are right let God vindicate you and if I am right then God will vindicate me.  Continue on this path and you will end the same way as some who are no longer able to post here who were critical of God's annointed and His Word. If you had anyspirituality in you then you would know that the bible is clear. Touch not the Lord's annointed  whether right or wrong Touch not the Lord annointed. Keep doing it  and we will see how you will end. Keep challenging God and your folly would be made known. Otherwise I have no desire to discuss any bible doctrine with a deceiver and a hypocritical coward who is  firmly under the feet of Jezebel.

[taz]

Ecclesiastes 1:14
All is vanity and vexation of the spirit.

[temba]

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

Brother if you are right God will vindicate you and if I am right God will vindicate me.

God is His Word. So whatever is in the scriptures is God VINDICATING His Truths. In case you have not passed through them, here is God VINDICATING His Truths:

1Tim.3:[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Tim.3:[12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Tit.1:[6] If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

And these are 3 witnessing scriptures as per the Holy Scriptures. More-so, the prophet supports this by saying the following:

209 The morals in our country is lower, and divorces, than it is in France or Italy, where prostitution's on the streets so... But they're prostitutes; ours is married women trying to live with several men, and several married men trying to live with other women.
In the nations where they have polygamy, it's a thousand times better. And yet, polygamy's wrong; we know. 61-0806  THE.SEVENTIETH.WEEK.OF.DANIEL_  JEFFERSONVILLE.IN  DA 89-141  SUNDAY_

133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
134 Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you thebackground of it.
135 "Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal
65-0429E THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE_ LOS.ANGELES.CA V-2 N-28 THURSDAY_

220 Even Sarah said, "You know what's going to happen? You're going to have the baby, but I tell you the way we're going to do it. Hagar now is my maid, I'm going to give her to you." Cause, polygamy was legal then.
65-1126 WORKS.IS.FAITH.EXPRESSED_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-7 N-1 FRIDAY_

No matter how you abuse my person, I will keep repeating these until your dreams will haunt you with your harem. So, let it be known that I will not be offended by the obscenities you might throw at me. In fact, they encourage me more!

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

I have no desire to discuss personalities.

But you have desire to throw stones, bricks, dirt and any demeaning superlatives you can find at me!

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

I will not discuss your hypocritical fallen pastors who deny polygamy in the pulpit and yet have small houses for 20 years. That is for hypocrites.

Those pastors quote the above quoted scriptures as well as the above quoted statements of the prophet. They do not deviate into their own new revelation that is not scriptural! If they cheat their SINGLE wife, then they are no different from LUSTFUL polygamists! So simple.

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

I have no desire to respond to you on this issue or any other issue.

You are responding as we speak. So that's an untruth!

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

You are a hypocrite and a coward and I have absolutely no time for deceivers like you.

Thank you very much for your presumed knowledge of myself!  

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

Again if you are right let God vindicate you and if I am right then God will vindicate me.

God vindicates in many ways. One sure way of authenticating such is by His written Word. And as I have said above, there are 3 witnessing scriptures above supported by a vindicated prophet of our generation.  

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

Continue on this path and you will end the same way as some who are no longer able to post here who were critical of God's annointed and His Word.

That sounds prophetic! But my scripture tells me to be aware of false prophets. So I will steadfastly stand on that scripture for now!

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

If you had anyspirituality in you then you would know that the bible is clear. Touch not the Lord's annointed  whether right or wrong Touch not the Lord annointed.

Yeah right! Especially when they tyora mascriptures nebwoni! They ignore God in His written form and then come and threaten one on "touch not anointed ones"! Even the devil quotes scriptures, though he perverts the Truth knowingly. Some, here, do so unknowingly just because they are so hooked up in polygamy that its impossible to reverse it. So their last resort is to defend it come hail come sunshine!

chapungu, on 19 August 2011 - 02:16 AM, said:

Keep doing it  and we will see how you will end. Keep challenging God and your folly would be made known. Otherwise I have no desire to discuss any bible doctrine with a deceiver and a hypocritical coward who is  firmly under the feet of Jezebel.

Thank you very much and I can only promise you that "I AM GOING TO KEEP SAYING WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY ON THIS ISSUE OF LUSTFUL MEN" no matter how many prophetic threats, 'anointed' abuses, owlish boasting or lustful lambasting I get from you! I personally do have loads of time for lustful ignoramuses!

[temba]

taz, on 19 August 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

Ecclesiastes 1:14
All is vanity and vexation of the spirit.

That is true sir. But when you bring in the The Person of The Christ, here is what Paul says:

Rom.8[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
[19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
[20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
[21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
[23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

[chapungu]

mambokadzi, on 19 August 2011 - 04:44 PM, said:

  

Nhai iwe, why uchivhundutsira kudai? I thought God is love, even mwari chaiye haite zvekuvhundutsira kudaro. Some of you, use verses for your own evil desires. Why should you say that to a person who is having a discussion with you, who is not plotting evil against you and has no aim of harming you. God is the one who knows the truth about his word, so chapungu usadaro pliz.

There is a pastor who has been jailed for molesting boys( Very well known too)..some people set a page for him, or against sort of thingy. Someone mentioned this same verse, kuti although he has been found guilty and he has admitted the offense, people should not touch Gods annointed.????This is the kind of thing that is destroying christianity. Kasi uri n'anga here kana kuti unocurser vanhu. This is evil chapungu, musatambe namwari zvakadai.

There was a fellow brother who was critical of polygamy ministers and believers just like Brother Temba and was warned in person  to repent and he refused. He rejected his  final warning and is unable to post here. That is not a threat or a joke but a fact. The bible is clear 'touch not the Lord's annointed'. Anyone who knows the bible knows that David had two ocassions to kill Saul but he did not even though Saul had many evil plots against David.  Why did david spare Saul's life twice? Was it because Saul was innocent ? NO it was because in spite of his mistakes he was still the annointed of the Lord. Infact David ordered the killing of an amelikite who killed Saul.If these brothers were even remotely spiritual they would know when to stop they  have no idea about the bible they claim to teach. Rambakuudzwa akaonekwa nembonje pamhanza.  I have seen many many many people who speak evil about polygamy ministers and their followers face the wrath of God and those who are hypocrites who preach against it while having small houses being brought to shame. Every one of them will b exposed. I will not exopose them here because I will not touch the annointed men of God even though I believe they lack the courage to preach the truth. I am tempted to name every one of the preacher who arer living double lives  every one of them. I am sure one of them is Brotrher Temba's pastor. But I will not do it not because I do not have extensive files on their double lives. Speak one thing and do another but because I will not touch the annointe of the Lord even when I believe they are wrong. Unlike some who end up receiving the wrath of God  for they walk where even angels fear to walk.

[temba]

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

There was a fellow brother who was critical of polygamy ministers and believers just like Brother Temba and was warned in person  to repent and he refused. He rejected his  final warning and is unable to post here.

How do you know that I am not that "guy" you talk about who is now using a new pseudo name temba??? Please try to leave assumption land and come to reality land.

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

That is not a threat or a joke but a fact. The bible is clear 'touch not the Lord's annointed'.

Ana manyenga vana ndivo vatinoda kutyisidzirwa navo ava. I give scriptures and not threats. Whether one tries to use their tokoloshis against me, I still stand on the Word just like the saints of the Dark Ages!

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Anyone who knows the bible knows that David had two ocassions to kill Saul but he did not even though Saul had many evil plots against David.  Why did david spare Saul's life twice? Was it because Saul was innocent ? NO it was because in spite of his mistakes he was still the annointed of the Lord. Infact David ordered the killing of an amelikite who killed Saul.

Aaha, it looks like our brother is agreeing that he and his cohorts are in the error like Saul! And he wants us to be like David and urge them on, in their lustful error. Unfortunately, I am going to take John's stand and speak against error no matter who does it, because I know that in the Holy Spirit there is no error. John (who had the spirit of Elijah as we have had in our day) said "its not lawful" just as it was not lawful to have someone's wife! So I will stand (like John) and say "its not scriptural to be polygamous after the crucifixion of our Saviour) -period.

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

If these brothers were even remotely spiritual they would know when to stop they  have no idea about the bible they claim to teach. Rambakuudzwa akaonekwa nembonje pamhanza. I have seen many many many people who speak evil about polygamy ministers and their followers face the wrath of God and those who are hypocrites who preach against it while having small houses being brought to shame.

There he goes again into assumption land! This same talk can be reversed on you and any polygamist!

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Every one of them will b exposed. I will not exopose them here because I will not touch the annointed men of God even though I believe they lack the courage to preach the truth. I am tempted to name every one of the preacher who arer living double lives  every one of them. I am sure one of them is Brotrher Temba's pastor.

Just imagine. This is supposed to come from a sane person. For starters, he does not know who my pastor is but he has the audacity to blindly insult a man of God! I have never named my pastor on this forum. The only mention of a pastor I did was when I mentioned that in Zimbabwe I used to attend meetings at Chitsere and the pastor there ended up backsliding. As everyone can see, chapungu is bent on changing the current scriptural subject being discussed to personalities. He has no sound scriptural backing for his questionable, lustful, crucifixion denying, unbecoming and prosecutable (in the US) practices. Can you imagine, these are people who are constantly breaking the law of the United States of America on a SERVICE and DAILY basis? It would be better if they emigrated to a country where this practice is allowed by the laws of that particular country!

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

But I will not do it not because I do not have extensive files on their double lives.

You do not even have a falsified or forged file on them because you do not know who my pastor is, neither do you know who I am save the pseudo name temba! So, stop this fantasy-land irrational exuberance!  

chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

Speak one thing and do another but because I will not touch the annointe of the Lord even when I believe they are wrong. Unlike some who end up receiving the wrath of God  for they walk where even angels fear to walk.

Ana zizi havana manyanga! Tipeyi scripture inoti itai ana manyenga vana --HAMUNA. But you are quick to raise EARS and claim to have Charuweki horns! By the way Charuweki was my grand father's dhonza!

[chapungu]

temba, on 20 August 2011 - 10:08 AM, said:

How do you know that I am not that "guy" you talk about who is now using a new pseudo name temba??? Please try to leave assumption land and come to reality land.

Ana manyenga vana ndivo vatinoda kutyisidzirwa navo ava. I give scriptures and not threats. Whether one tries to use their tokoloshis against me, I still stand on the Word just like the saints of the Dark Ages!

Aaha, it looks like our brother is agreeing that he and his cohorts are in the error like Saul! And he wants us to be like David and urge them on, in their lustful error. Unfortunately, I am going to take John's stand and speak against error no matter who does it, because I know that in the Holy Spirit there is no error. John (who had the spirit of Elijah as we have had in our day) said "its not lawful" just as it was not lawful to have someone's wife! So I will stand (like John) and say "its not scriptural to be polygamous after the crucifixion of our Saviour) -period.

There he goes again into assumption land! This same talk can be reversed on you and any polygamist!


Just imagine. This is supposed to come from a sane person. For starters, he does not know who my pastor is but he has the audacity to blindly insult a man of God! I have never named my pastor on this forum. The only mention of a pastor I did was when I mentioned that in Zimbabwe I used to attend meetings at Chitsere and the pastor there ended up backsliding. As everyone can see, chapungu is bent on changing the current scriptural subject being discussed to personalities. He has no sound scriptural backing for his questionable, lustful, crucifixion denying, unbecoming and prosecutable (in the US) practices. Can you imagine, these are people who are constantly breaking the law of the United States of America on a SERVICE and DAILY basis? It would be better if they emigrated to a country where this practice is allowed by the laws of that particular country!


You do not even have a falsified or forged file on them because you do not know who my pastor is, neither do you know who I am save the pseudo name temba! So, stop this fantasy-land irrational exuberance!  


Ana zizi havana manyanga! Tipeyi scripture inoti itai ana manyenga vana --HAMUNA. But you are quick to raise EARS and claim to have Charuweki horns! By the way Charuweki was my grand father's dhonza!

You need grace my brother. May the Lord have mercy on you.

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chapungu, on 20 August 2011 - 01:44 PM, said:

You need grace my brother. May the Lord have mercy on you.

Yes that's true. But as far as I am concerned, we all need grace. Especially when we are quick to threaten others! Just because I have pointed out the lustful, unscriptural and unbecoming practices of a group that claims to be message believers, I get the full wrath from one who calls me brother! If I can get this from my own brother, what more from the agnostics on this forum? No wonder they are so silent at this moment. They must be laughing all the way to Darwin's theory!