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[Kaguvi18]

What is wealth?is wealth man made material things,like the Benz and bima,or the penthouse and villa lifestyles,is it the salaries payed by an employeer?is it owning businesses and inheriting fortunes from died relations and friends?
Does working make one wealthy,is it the remedy to wealth creation?how come artist and sports stars amase more wealth than some one who works a normal job?where lies the solution of creating wealth?provision of finished goods and services?what is real wealth is it the hollyhood Zionist lifesyle that they spend millions upon millions in advertising costs and employee costs?is hollyhood the true vision of wealth?

[Kaguvi18]

Is colonial farming practices and industrial methods the ultimate wealth creation tool?for 161 years since the introduction of capitalism and colonialism we have never seen any tangeble evidence of any wealth creation for the local indiginous people who where forced to accept and live this slavemaster lifestyle which doesn't accomodate any foreign school of thoughts,does that mean that the stealin habit of the imperialists is what is best for the world and for individual nations,are we following a system which is already designed to keep you forever down and with no hope of breaking away from it?when the surroundings and you are comfortable are you not wealthy?

[Zambian.MoJo]

Zero-sum describes a situation in which a participant's gain or loss is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the other participant(s). It is so named because when the total gains of the participants are added up, and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero.
- Wikipedia

I think wealth is a zero sum game, or at least similar. It's like a pie that isn't static...Everybody agrees that the best way to accumulate wealth is to keep growing your piece of the pie, but some may feel that they aren't getting a fair slice because of the system used to divide the pie up.

[Kaguvi18]

Working is Not wealth creation,that is when One is proffesionally employeed As Doctor or lawyer.no matter which Job title One can Carry at the end of the Day and Year you will notice both proffessionals have a Zero saving or the Same As a Nurse or teacher.the Sports man in the Major league is by gar better paid than the proffessionals does that mean all of us Must Be sportsmen and Woman God forbid.
One Thing One has to notice about all These proffessions they Rel. On the Banking System of Evaluation.but where does the Bank get such Sums of Money?who garantees the Banks that they van Pay out salaries and Pay all advertisers Be it actors,singers and writters.
The question is complicated i Know many will come up with Crazy old fashioned explainations,but i will leave you to ponder and figure it out for yourselves.

[Kaguvi18]

We will take the Common examples of popular wealthy People(so to say)we have the likes of Bill Gates,He wasnt Born Rich or did He inherit anythingfrom His Dead descendants,He started of in a Garage,dropped out from School,had a New product for the market which grewwith Time,He is known As One of the Worlds richest man(if you Look at His photographs He is no good shape of being the luckiest or happiest man on this Earth but we See a worn out bespecticled man who spends Little Time with His Family and probably has no real friend He can Trust in.
We also take into consideration this man who made a Fortune with real Estate,His Name has sliped out of my Head,He started off from hubble beginings and with His büying and selling properties He accumilated so much wealth.
Now to the Main catch the Banks had financed these man and confirmed that they own so much Assets and Financial wealth.the Banks use Gold As a Source of Security Gold Bars,and etc,in These Lands with all These World wealthiest men do Not Even have the Gold Fields or mines talkless of the nickle or copper to make smaller denominations of there currencies.
So whats my Point?my Point is that the colonial Process financed a Boom in the Financial sector,could have been Banking,Resources,Labour in abandance and free,add this and you get the Start of Stars and Rich People,the Gold they came to dig they still dig it Even at greater scale,the colonial products is the Same Story whether there presence is felt or Not we blindly Feed the System which in turn oppresses us,wealth is the Things around you,the Energy to atract and accumulate Material and physical properties,in lay man Language

[Kaguvi18]

Wealth is basically the Things around you,the ability to attract These Material Resources requires Great skill and Patience to Even realise that wealth lies in the Street and waiting for you to Pick it.anopenga mufana uyu haikona,how can i say wealth lies in the Street when you See its Full of beggers and Street Kids?

[Kaguvi18]

One Day a popular begger at the market Place woke up One Morning took a Quick glance into a window Shop He saw facing him an immaculate,well trimed gentelman with a Walking Stick made of pure Gold,a cotton Linen Suit,and some Smart shoes,from this Day this man lived a more fullfilling and rewarding Life,and actually abandonded His old Life to live His remaining Earth days As a wealthy man

[Kaguvi18]

What do we See when we See the reflection in the Mirror,do you See a down troden chap always looking for who to Blame for His misfortunes,a suppresed worker working all the Life of non achievement,what do you See?Be honest

[kwv.]

Zambian.MoJo, on 05 December 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

Zero-sum describes a situation in which a participant's gain or loss is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the other participant(s). It is so named because when the total gains of the participants are added up, and the total losses are subtracted, they will sum to zero.
- Wikipedia

I think wealth is a zero sum game, or at least similar. It's like a pie that isn't static...Everybody agrees that the best way to accumulate wealth is to keep growing your piece of the pie, but some may feel that they aren't getting a fair slice because of the system used to divide the pie up.

No, I quite strongly disagree

Wealth creation is like making a bigger pie, that's why it's wealth creation.

Dividing a pie up into ever-smaller pieces is the much-loved "wealth redistrubution", which just makes everybody poorer

[Zambian.MoJo]

kwv., on 05 December 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

No, I quite strongly disagree

Wealth creation is like making a bigger pie, that's why it's wealth creation.

Dividing a pie up into ever-smaller pieces is the much-loved "wealth redistrubution", which just makes everybody poorer

I completely agree with the last point...A good example is Chavez redistribution of wealth from rich to poor in Venezuela, which didn't turn out well.

What I am concerned about - and what I would hope most people in the middle or lower middle class should be concerned about - are the systemic problems with a capitalist view of wealth creation.

What many of us who are sometimes critical of capitalism is the predominant ethos in our society that makes a theology out of the free market and pronounces the market as the best engine and arbiter of wealth creation.
Not so fast.

While that critique is not without flaws, it's essential in reining in the tendency to proclaim wealth creation as the best avenue of 'making the pie bigger' among the populace. As for my view, so what if the pie isn't static...as long as the divided slices are elastic, I'm ok with it.

[kwv.]

I don't know whether you agree or not, but I do NOT see the stock exchange or buying and selling currencies as "wealth creation". That is indeed a zero-sum game - as so many are finding out now.

[Kaguvi18]

Wealth is Health,Hygiene,all Basic and egoistic needs fullfilled,you can't enjoy wealth when you have no health,For your wealth to Be Seen it has to Be clean and presentable,you can own a Million bucks,live in a mordest appartment,own a good vehicle,afford yourself yearly holidays,send your Kids to decent govenment Schools,where is the difference when compared to One who builds so many Sky scrapes,flies in Jets and helicopters,lives a private exagerated Life of exclusion,esta out in Hotels and restaraunts.
Considering the fact that all can Meet there appointments in Time,there is no Great difference,when all visit the toilet there shit smells like shit,they both Need Sleep,Love,affection,attention and recognition.

[Chichi Boedenkemp]

Kaguvi18, on 05 December 2011 - 05:28 PM, said:

What is wealth?is wealth man made material things,like the Benz and bima,or the penthouse and villa lifestyles,is it the salaries payed by an employeer?is it owning businesses and inheriting fortunes from died relations and friends?
Does working make one wealthy,is it the remedy to wealth creation?how come artist and sports stars amase more wealth than some one who works a normal job?where lies the solution of creating wealth?provision of finished goods and services?what is real wealth is it the hollyhood Zionist lifesyle that they spend millions upon millions in advertising costs and employee costs?is hollyhood the true vision of wealth?

nah those you list are riches and come credit crunch they r gone
wealth is forever lasting, i.e. zim is a wealthy country without too many riches, he who understands what to do with the wealth in zim becomes rich

[Kaguvi18]

Chichi Boedenkemp, on 05 December 2011 - 10:36 PM, said:

nah those you list are riches and come credit crunch they r gone
wealth is forever lasting, i.e. zim is a wealthy country without too many riches, he who understands what to do with the wealth in zim becomes rich

That is true to some extent,but the trick lies in having a product or produce to supply market demands,you can enter the food market,people need to eat every day,no matter which country you find your self,people need services no matter where you find your self when you can pick out which one is really yours can you be able to accumulate wealth

[Chichi Boedenkemp]

Kaguvi18, on 05 December 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

That is true to some extent,but the trick lies in having a product or produce to supply market demands,you can enter the food market,people need to eat every day,no matter which country you find your self,people need services no matter where you find your self when you can pick out which one is really yours can you be able to accumulate wealth

wealth i then the brain and the people, richies are results of capitalising on the two using food

[Kaguvi18]

The reason why the world will not correct and supply all basic needs

[Kaguvi18]

They want to keep you dependent on there policies some times which are outdated and irrelevant

[Chichi Boedenkemp]

most ways of doing biz r outdated with th advent of technoloji

[Kaguvi18]

kwv., on 05 December 2011 - 08:12 PM, said:

I don't know whether you agree or not, but I do NOT see the stock exchange or buying and selling currencies as "wealth creation". That is indeed a zero-sum game - as so many are finding out now.

So you agree that wealth is not tarred roads,pipe water or huge bank accounts but the resources around you?all your banking,capitalism and nonsense is just a trick to enslave people.

[mystify]

Kaguvi18, on 21 March 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

So you agree that wealth is not tarred roads,pipe water or huge bank accounts but the resources around you?all your banking,capitalism and nonsense is just a trick to enslave people.

I don't waste too much time with this old rhodesian racist fool