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#1 generaldexter

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Posted 14 April 2012 - 06:41 PM

It shame that i met this preacher from USA and he was preaching the Message of Willium Marrion Branham as i know it and when we approached him to know whether he knew brother branham this what he  said

"yes i read his book(s) but i disagree with him"

Yet he was preaching Godhead and True Baptism.

Why then reading BOOKS and not just one book unless you become a believer too.

Without controvesy these people acknowlegde that:

1. If brother Branham was a false prophet; then he was perfect a perfect false prophet. In this they will get rewards of recognising a FALSE prophet.

2. If Bro. Branham was a true prophet; then they are condemned. Because he showed perfect signs of a prophet and had a voice/message behind him - not just miracles for naughty. Yet they have refused their congregation the same access.


Why? it is simple - They are jealousy. They want to do what he was doing and appear original to the people - That does not attract a message believer.

Which church in Zimbabwe have you heard is performing indisputable miracles like the crippled walk, healing cancer patients, blind eyes see and healing all manner of sickness?? Where have you heard testimonies where after prayer patients are visited by Angels and get healed instant after the visitation??

If he was a false prophet why are we doing exactly the same as it was in his ministry today 2012 and we teach our children the massage and they perform the same miracles. (he that beliveth a prophet in the name of the prophet shall receive the reward of the prophet, Matthew 10:41)

Who has done what TB Joshua is doing, Benny Hin, Makandiwa etc. They cannot reproduce their faith in their congregation ?????!!

Jesus Christ's disciples reproduced Jesus Christ again !! (He that beliveth on me the works that i do shall do also John 14:12)

Acts:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.


My brother sister there is no better truth than the Message, believe and you shall be a Seed again(like Jesus Christ).
(John12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.)

The Prophet was sent to restore the original pentacostal faith (the seed/Jesus again)

Malachi4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Matthew 12:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

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#2 Will B. Free

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 05:03 PM

It shame that i met this preacher from USA and he was preaching the Message of Willium Marrion Branham as i know it and when we approached him to know whether he knew brother branham this what he said

"yes i read his book(s) but i disagree with him"

Yet he was preaching Godhead and True Baptism.


So WB invented the Godhead and true baptism or has this always been preached in the church for ages?


Maybe he disagrees with him in the small case of saying Eve had sex with a snake and they had a babyboy
named Cain. Cain who God promised to accept if he did well and marked so he wouldn't be murdered????
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:02 PM

View PostB.Free, on 15 April 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

Maybe he disagrees with him in the small case of saying Eve had sex with a snake and they had a babyboy
named Cain. Cain who God promised to accept if he did well and marked so he wouldn't be murdered????
Could you give us where, exactly, you got the information highlighted in red??

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:52 PM

View PostB.Free, on 15 April 2012 - 05:03 PM, said:

It shame that i met this preacher from USA and he was preaching the Message of Willium Marrion Branham as i know it and when we approached him to know whether he knew brother branham this what he said

"yes i read his book(s) but i disagree with him"

Yet he was preaching Godhead and True Baptism.


So WB invented the Godhead and true baptism or has this always been preached in the church for ages?


Maybe he disagrees with him in the small case of saying Eve had sex with a snake and they had a babyboy
named Cain. Cain who God promised to accept if he did well and marked so he wouldn't be murdered????

If you had the true revelation of Godhead then why are you baptised in the name of Father, Son and the Holy Spirit?? Why does your 'holy spirit' refuse the Bible?

And before Bro Branham who else had preached in word and works the Book of Acts - baptisim in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, One God and not this Trinity Roman Catholic doctrine, Speaking in toungues is not the evidence of new birth, The doctrine of Election and the doctrine of the sons of pedition.

Just Acknowledge Malachi 4:5 and Revelation 10:7 and let us move on as believers

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 08:03 PM

Eve did not have sex with a SNAKE but a SERPENT which was a beast before being curse to a repitile!!!!!!!

If you do not undersatnd this from Jesus Christ's teachings then Danial 12:9 ichakaku kiya zveshuwa lol

" Cain who God promised to accept if he did well and marked so he wouldn't be murdered????"

That is A good search of the scriptures! To answer you

If Cain had done like Abel God would have accepted his SACRIFICE not his person
IF SATAN can repent and be filled with the Holy Spirit and Love; he will become our brother
But if CAIN or SATAN can perform miracles by FAITH in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ but lack the revelation of who Jesus is (love, light, truth, the way, righteousness etc); their faith would be accepted but their person would languish in HELL.

BUT we know the answer, SATAN AND CAIN are incapable of performing the WORD of GOD.

Give them the WORD TEST, they fail to perform it and they will not do it or take it as IMPORTANT; Just like ESAU who sold his birth right to Jacob because of 'Pizza'


...and marked so he wouldn't be murdered????"

Matthew 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Why let him (Cain) go on?? I dont know!

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:41 AM

The Oneness movement was well established well before William Branham. He did NOT start anything.
Facts:
1. Abelard (1079-1142)
2. Micheal Servetus (1511-1553)
3. Emmanuel Swedenbog (1688-1772)
4.R E McAlister (1913)
5. Frank Ewert & Glenn Cook as well as Charles Parham (1914)
6. 1917: Formation of the General Assembly of Apostolic Assemblies united with with other Oneness groups to form PAW (Pentecoastal Assemblies of the World.
7. Oneness theologian David K. Bernard claims to trace Oneness adherents back to the first converted Jews of the Apostolic Age. He asserts that there is no evidence of these converts having any difficulty comprehending the Church's teachings, and integrating them with their existing strict Judaistic monotheistic beliefs. In the Post-apostolic Age, he claims that Hermas, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Polycrates and Ignatius, who lived between 90 and 140 A.D., and Irenaeus, who died about 200 A.D, were either Oneness, modalist, or at most a follower of an "economic Trinity", that is, a temporary Trinity and not an eternal one.

It might interest people that even Elvis Presly was rebaptised in the Jesus only name.

I strongly believe Branham was a man of God, I read his teachings and gain much but what I refute is the he is the pioneer of ONENESS PENTECOASTALISM or that he is the Elijah of Malachi 4.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

Further more: (8) Presbyterian minister John Miller, author of Is God a Trinity? (1876).
(9) John Clowes, pastor of St. John's Church in Manchester, England, reportedly wrote a book in 1828 that taught Oneness.
(10) Karl Barth wrote several books and papers on the Godhead in which he spoke of the "modes" of God when referring to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

Now coming to the Serpentine seed doctrine, this was a Greek mythology well before Brahnam was born and its ridiculous to attribute that doctrine as 'revelation' by Branham yet archives are full of the doctrine.
Check:
1. http://www.answersin...7/i3/Athena.asp
2. http://forum.davidic...hp/t-66191.html
3. www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/serpent-seedline.htm
Branham was just a philosophical preacher in the mould Engel Eurbert, Tudor Bismarck,( Zim) and other scientific preachers all mover the world. NOT the Elijah or "prophet of the moment" tag you put on him.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:13 AM

View PostLife, on 16 April 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Now coming to the Serpentine seed doctrine, this was a Greek mythology well before Brahnam was born and its ridiculous to attribute that doctrine as 'revelation' by Branham yet archives are full of the doctrine.
Check:
1. http://www.answersin...7/i3/Athena.asp
2. http://forum.davidic...hp/t-66191.html
3. http://www.sherryshriner.com

Branham was just a philosophical preacher in the mould Engel Eurbert, Tudor Bismarck,( Zim) and other scientific preachers all mover the world. NOT the Elijah or "prophet of the moment" tag you put on him.

Do grade 7 education standard do philosophy too. Then there is no need to have Degrees or even Form 6
Bro Branham could not form correct english sentences nor to pronounce them correctly and you call him a philosopher?

If you call Branham a philosopher yet he did not exceed grade 7 then he was of the mould of John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, and Peter- true prophets

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:20 AM

View PostLife, on 16 April 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

The Oneness movement was well established well before William Branham. He did NOT start anything.
Facts:
1. Abelard (1079-1142)
2. Micheal Servetus (1511-1553)
3. Emmanuel Swedenbog (1688-1772)
4.R E McAlister (1913)
5. Frank Ewert & Glenn Cook as well as Charles Parham (1914)
6. 1917: Formation of the General Assembly of Apostolic Assemblies united with with other Oneness groups to form PAW (Pentecoastal Assemblies of the World.
7. Oneness theologian David K. Bernard claims to trace Oneness adherents back to the first converted Jews of the Apostolic Age. He asserts that there is no evidence of these converts having any difficulty comprehending the Church's teachings, and integrating them with their existing strict Judaistic monotheistic beliefs. In the Post-apostolic Age, he claims that Hermas, Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Polycrates and Ignatius, who lived between 90 and 140 A.D., and Irenaeus, who died about 200 A.D, were either Oneness, modalist, or at most a follower of an "economic Trinity", that is, a temporary Trinity and not an eternal one.

It might interest people that even Elvis Presly was rebaptised in the Jesus only name.

I strongly believe Branham was a man of God, I read his teachings and gain much but what I refute is the he is the pioneer of ONENESS PENTECOASTALISM or that he is the Elijah of Malachi 4.

Bro Branham said JESUS ONLY IS WRONG (even the Bible) the Correct name is LORD JESUS CHRIST

Jesus Christ is Both LORD and Christ Act 2:35-8

Not taking anything from you, I am impressed with your research above. It is close to Bro Branham sermon on Seven Church Ages.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:25 AM

View PostLife, on 16 April 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:


I strongly believe Branham was a man of God, I read his teachings and gain much but what I refute is the he is the pioneer of ONENESS PENTECOASTALISM or that he is the Elijah of Malachi 4.


This is what i meant from the start. That people read Bro Branham's teachings BUT they try to be clever afterwards by taking the glory of the revelation and push away the PROPHET.

Yet i would want to encourage you to read some more and believe everything as is confirmed by the Bible and History (AD). Anything outside this reject.

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Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:11 AM

It seems everything he said was said before. Even the false serpent seed doctrine is Greek mytholigy. Check the thread WB quotes were people he apoarently cured where never cured.But your soul is sold, you have seen your Elijah and ooh even the bitter truth can not take that illusion away.

On a different note whats your take on TB Joshua? Is he false or another Elijah?He performs miracles and sees the future just like WB.

Remember the bible warns of these false prophets even when they move mountains
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostB.Free, on 16 April 2012 - 11:11 AM, said:

It seems everything he said was said before. Even the false serpent seed doctrine is Greek mytholigy. Check the thread WB quotes were people he apoarently cured where never cured.But your soul is sold, you have seen your Elijah and ooh even the bitter truth can not take that illusion away.

On a different note whats your take on TB Joshua? Is he false or another Elijah?He performs miracles and sees the future just like WB.

Remember the bible warns of these false prophets even when they move mountains

Of course both can do what you cannot.

Prophets are not vindicated by signs only (lest yu be deceived) but by the VOICE behind the sign. What is the message from God????? Moses had, Jushua had, ELijah had, John had, Lord Jesus had, Peter had, Martin Luther had,John Wesley had, and what is his (TBJ) message and is it promised in the Bible?? if you can answer this then we can start to consider him.In the absence of this i dont know his office but he definately has a gift.

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Posted 18 April 2012 - 01:09 PM

My brother we have Jesus and through him we will find the Father. Identifying prophets is not a preriquisite to your salvation but following a false one will be your downfall.

I have no faith in man and will quote onky Jesus. Zvamave kutsvags zvana 2nd Elijah- Paul Mwazha,, Johan Marange, Johan Masowe, Samuel Mutendi etc mucharasika. Mira naJesu, stop this business of "Bro Branam said this blah blah". ITS about JESUS.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostB.Free, on 18 April 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

My brother we have Jesus and through him we will find the Father. Identifying prophets is not a preriquisite to your salvation but following a false one will be your downfall.

I have no faith in man and will quote onky Jesus. Zvamave kutsvags zvana 2nd Elijah- Paul Mwazha,, Johan Marange, Johan Masowe, Samuel Mutendi etc mucharasika. Mira naJesu, stop this business of "Bro Branam said this blah blah". ITS about JESUS.

Very True.

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Is every quote the truth?
Pastors often dominate their churches with Quotes. Is this really Truth ?

Aim for the original faith of the early church and you will not go too far wrong.

The head of the church is the firstborn from the dead. Only Jesus died and came back from the grave in a new body that cannot die again.

No other man can claim this ability.

Jesus must have the preeminence. But there are men who love the preeminence and they will also claim to be the head of the church. Some pastors claim this exalted rank to promote themselves above the congregation. But the New Testament nowhere declares the pastor to be the head of the church.

http://churchages.co...uote-the-truth/
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:43 AM

View PostB.Free, on 18 April 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

My brother we have Jesus and through him we will find the Father. Identifying prophets is not a preriquisite to your salvation but following a false one will be your downfall.

I have no faith in man and will quote onky Jesus. Zvamave kutsvags zvana 2nd Elijah- Paul Mwazha,, Johan Marange, Johan Masowe, Samuel Mutendi etc mucharasika. Mira naJesu, stop this business of "Bro Branam said this blah blah". ITS about JESUS.

Blessed are you B. Free if you have faith in Jesus Christ alone, if you have Him alone as your rock of salvation, and if you have the Lamb alone as your refuge in the hour of trouble that is coming shortly!



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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM

You think we dont know that. Where you are, I was there before i started to believe the Whole Bible.
There is a kindergarden revelation and an Advanced Level Answer.

There are people today who participated in killing all Jesus Disciples thinking that they themselves believe on Jesus Christ More that the disciples. Saying they would have noone but Christ.

Yet they dont know how to deal with this few verses;

Mal.4
[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
[4] Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
[5] Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:[6] And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:12 PM

The same people think that Jesus Christ is Elijah the prophet

Do you think they know that Elijah would restore the Word and the Alter like before??

Matth 17
[10] And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
[11] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:18 PM

Search the scriptures in which you think you believe Jesus Christ and see whether you are following this instruction, ye babes:

Revelation 22
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

What is in the Churches??
1] Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
[2] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
[3] And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
[4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
[5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[6] But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
[7] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
[8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
[10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
[11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:20 PM

View Postgeneraldexter, on 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

You think we dont know that.

We know that you know that very well. And we also know that you do not believe it.

View Postgeneraldexter, on 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Where you are, I was there before i started to believe the Whole Bible.
There is a kindergarden revelation and an Advanced Level Answer.
We, that are purchased by the blood of the Lamb cherish so much this 'kindergarten revelation'. To us, all doctrines necessary for our salvation is equally important.

View Postgeneraldexter, on 19 April 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

There are people today who participated in killing all Jesus Disciples thinking that they themselves believe on Jesus Christ More that the disciples. Saying they would have noone but Christ.
These were not Christians. Just saying 'I am a Christian and I believe the whole bible', does not make one a Christian.
We will not fellowship with anybody just because they have said 'I am a Christian'. No. In these days where false religion is rife, one needs to make sure that this self proclaimed 'christian' is a real christian indeed.



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