I am.
I am basically socially liberal though conservative in some ways as well as being a fan of progressive politicos as far as developing the country is concerned.
My main issue is my desire to see home grown development economically, socially and mentally regardless of race as long as you have Zim origins. Given all of the above, I find it hard to support any particular party these days.
Do you?
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How Many Of You Are Independents As Far As Zim Politics Is Concerned?
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, Jan 27 2013 05:21 PM
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:43 PM
Afritude., on 27 January 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:
I am.
I am basically socially liberal though conservative in some ways as well as being a fan of progressive politicos as far as developing the country is concerned.
My main issue is my desire to see home grown development economically, socially and mentally regardless of race as long as you have Zim origins. Given all of the above, I find it hard to support any particular party these days.
Do you?
I am basically socially liberal though conservative in some ways as well as being a fan of progressive politicos as far as developing the country is concerned.
My main issue is my desire to see home grown development economically, socially and mentally regardless of race as long as you have Zim origins. Given all of the above, I find it hard to support any particular party these days.
Do you?
I think i am with you there Afritude - with ZANU PF, i see nothing but rot and deadwood, in MDC there a few bright sparks but the leadership is hardly different from the ZANU way of doing things so yea, i find it hard to support any one party ......
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:58 PM
I think dont have faith in either one of the parties and I am one of the very few here who pointed that out even at the height of the MDC's popularity. Will they win the next election? If its free and fair, they will. No doubt about that. However, I dont have too much faith in their leader and think that things will improve for a while and then stagnate as the MDC leaders begin to enjoy the perks and money etc.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:12 PM
Afritude., on 27 January 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:
I think dont have faith in either one of the parties and I am one of the very few here who pointed that out even at the height of the MDC's popularity. Will they win the next election? If its free and fair, they will. No doubt about that. However, I dont have too much faith in their leader and think that things will improve for a while and then stagnate as the MDC leaders begin to enjoy the perks and money etc.
They will not win after morgan snatched defeat from the teeth of victory, he has done too much damage to MDC-RF? They are fighting violently within the party?
The outcome of the battle has international ramifications. At stake is the unimaginable wealth to be had from the world’s oldest and, it is said, richest diamond field, with the potential to bring in a billion dollars a year. “Whoever owns the diamond field controls Zimbabwe and could buy any country in Africa,” one western diplomat says.
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The land seizures were expected to stop when the former opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai became prime minister last year after agreeing a peace deal with Mugabe. Tsvangirai, originally backed by white farmers, was even considered a candidate for this year’s Nobel peace prize.
Freeth said he had written four times to Tsvangirai but his letters were never acknowledged. Although the main levers of power such as the army, police and justice ministry have remained in Mugabe’s hands, Freeth insists that “Tsvangirai could at least be calling for action. He doesn’t seem interested in doing anything to get the rule of law respected”.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:48 PM
Cde George Galloway MP, on 27 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:
They will not win after morgan snatched defeat from the teeth of victory, he has done too much damage to MDC-RF? They are fighting violently within the party?
Free and fair MDC any day .
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:50 PM
shumbar, on 27 January 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:
Free and fair MDC any day .
NO chance sunshine, Morgan has fatally damaged his party?
The outcome of the battle has international ramifications. At stake is the unimaginable wealth to be had from the world’s oldest and, it is said, richest diamond field, with the potential to bring in a billion dollars a year. “Whoever owns the diamond field controls Zimbabwe and could buy any country in Africa,” one western diplomat says.
Timesonline
The land seizures were expected to stop when the former opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai became prime minister last year after agreeing a peace deal with Mugabe. Tsvangirai, originally backed by white farmers, was even considered a candidate for this year’s Nobel peace prize.
Freeth said he had written four times to Tsvangirai but his letters were never acknowledged. Although the main levers of power such as the army, police and justice ministry have remained in Mugabe’s hands, Freeth insists that “Tsvangirai could at least be calling for action. He doesn’t seem interested in doing anything to get the rule of law respected”.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:58 PM
shumbar, on 27 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:
Damage maybe among Zim elite not povo. That guy is so popular that even Bob knows that.
Not as popular as 2008?
Civil servants not happy with MDC-RF?
It will still be a tight election for sure, but I reckon Bob will win?
We just want a free and fair election because violence will count against Bob?
The outcome of the battle has international ramifications. At stake is the unimaginable wealth to be had from the world’s oldest and, it is said, richest diamond field, with the potential to bring in a billion dollars a year. “Whoever owns the diamond field controls Zimbabwe and could buy any country in Africa,” one western diplomat says.
Timesonline
The land seizures were expected to stop when the former opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai became prime minister last year after agreeing a peace deal with Mugabe. Tsvangirai, originally backed by white farmers, was even considered a candidate for this year’s Nobel peace prize.
Freeth said he had written four times to Tsvangirai but his letters were never acknowledged. Although the main levers of power such as the army, police and justice ministry have remained in Mugabe’s hands, Freeth insists that “Tsvangirai could at least be calling for action. He doesn’t seem interested in doing anything to get the rule of law respected”.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:01 PM
Same to me afritude used to zanupf but their because of their violent ways and selling the country to the chinese for peanuts made me change. Briefly i turned to MDC but doon realised that they are leaderless. Now no longer support any .
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:02 AM
I am most definetly a supporter of no-one in zimbabwe..i dont like zanu..i dont like the mdc...i respect the mdc because i believe in democracy....and i feel they won the last election...but i think that morgan was undecisive when he had a window of opportunity to take the reins....showed fundamental weakness as a leader and cost the mdc a stint in power...i also think he has some very undemocratic tendencies...simba makoni seems to be unwilling to positively take on the role of an active opposition memebr..thus fuelling speculation that he is still a machination of zanu
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:58 PM
Sarungano, on 27 January 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:
I think i am with you there Afritude - with ZANU PF, i see nothing but rot and deadwood, in MDC there a few bright sparks but the leadership is hardly different from the ZANU way of doing things so yea, i find it hard to support any one party ......
I agree. I think we need a fundamental change in our politics where people will vote according to their beliefs whether they be social or political rather than based on a choice between "remembering the struggle" and "protest politics". We need manifestos that should have our economic and social well being and the means to achieve both or either as the centrepiece of that mainfesto. When you have a party campaigning for votes by denouncing Tony Blair instead of showing us how they intend to grow the econmoy then you have a problem.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:13 PM
Cde George Galloway MP, on 27 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:
They will not win after morgan snatched defeat from the teeth of victory, he has done too much damage to MDC-RF? They are fighting violently within the party?
I am not agreat fan of the MDC but from what I can gather, ZANU doesn't have a prayer in any free and fair election. They would have the cheat and bully people to win. This is sad because their ideology in its pure form is something I could, and have often agreed with. The problem in my view, is that they have strayed from those ideals and are populated by people who joined the party either to enrich themselves or to protect themselves from their various sins..
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:28 PM
shumbar, on 27 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:
Damage maybe among Zim elite not povo. That guy is so popular that even Bob knows that.
Those were my observations too. However, popular as they are, I once read their manifesto and found it to be a bit iffy. They will give you broad outlines of policy with little detail which is strange given the number of intellectuals that party has as either active members or as sympathisers.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:06 PM
basweety, on 27 January 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:
Same to me afritude used to zanupf but their because of their violent ways and selling the country to the chinese for peanuts made me change. Briefly i turned to MDC but doon realised that they are leaderless. Now no longer support any .
Frankly I can see a lot bad things down the line with the way they are allowing the Chinese to economically disenfranchise our people simply because they had mismanaged the country and had nowhere to turn to. I am not a nativist by any means but I can see certain problems. If they speak about empowerment why not empower proper Zimbabweans with a reasonable history in the country first before handing the country to a people who dont care much about us?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:24 AM
Okay I can see no Zanu, no MDCT. But there is MDCN, MDCM, MDC99, Ndoga, Zapu, Mawere's UMDP, Mthwakazi, Mavambo Makoni, Mavambo Mbudzi. And someone says they are independent? Vusimbe bwokushara.
Then someone says he Zanu ine vhigoroni, but when you were born, waivudzwa kuti Zanu ndeyeopa. And then same person says Morgan haana data. Yet you supported him uchiziva kuti haana kana JC. Chii chazoitika kuti uzive kuti blaz vaya havana data nhasi? Wanga wakavata here ngua yose iyi? Asi tokuketai vanhu vaHuruyadzo. Munohumana too much. Kutozvitvagira ita kwaro kwahi tinoni ma independent. Muri vaHuruyadzo imi! Madzakudzaku omuHarare tokuzivai! Kubva kuna Huruyadzo makapinda muna 2boy, muchibva mapinda muna Morgan, MDCN, Mutambara, Makoni nhasi kwahi independent!
Budai pachena. Hazvina kuipa kuti tiri vanhu vaMuzorewa!
Then someone says he Zanu ine vhigoroni, but when you were born, waivudzwa kuti Zanu ndeyeopa. And then same person says Morgan haana data. Yet you supported him uchiziva kuti haana kana JC. Chii chazoitika kuti uzive kuti blaz vaya havana data nhasi? Wanga wakavata here ngua yose iyi? Asi tokuketai vanhu vaHuruyadzo. Munohumana too much. Kutozvitvagira ita kwaro kwahi tinoni ma independent. Muri vaHuruyadzo imi! Madzakudzaku omuHarare tokuzivai! Kubva kuna Huruyadzo makapinda muna 2boy, muchibva mapinda muna Morgan, MDCN, Mutambara, Makoni nhasi kwahi independent!
Budai pachena. Hazvina kuipa kuti tiri vanhu vaMuzorewa!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:45 AM
I have never supported any of those mickey mouse parties. Zanu tinoyivengera hutsinye hwayo and MDC tinoivengera hudofo hwayo.
He they type to keep a couple hundred grand in a rubberband
Just left Money Gram in the Lemon Lam
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