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#41 zivo

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 01:41 PM

View PostGab, on 18 December 2009 - 12:35 PM, said:

Luke 5:39 39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’”

36 Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

Sorry Gab Could you expound what you talking about here?. I lost you.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:13 PM

View Postzivo, on 18 December 2009 - 01:41 PM, said:

Sorry Gab Could you expound what you talking about here?. I lost you.

Exactly! What is your understanding of that scripture (luke 5:36-39?

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 05:46 PM

View PostGab, on 18 December 2009 - 05:13 PM, said:

Exactly! What is your understanding of that scripture (luke 5:36-39?

I think it is fair if you explain your point first especially in the context we are discussing.

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Posted 19 December 2009 - 06:01 AM

View PostGab, on 18 December 2009 - 12:42 PM, said:

Ngano dzemadzidza!!!!!!Ham this, Ham that! Are you Ham's descendent, thought you are Abraham's through faith in Jesus Christ!

Can you please the spripture that gave the prophesy you refer above??

Those may be your thoughts, but it is a historical and Biblical fact that we are NOT descendants of Abraham. Please look at my post on the previous page. In due course I will expound further. You may also provide some scripture that says we are descendants of Abraham.

I would say that we can only be so figuratively, if we talk of him as the father of the faithful. But the Bible is clear that there are descendatns of HAM and it talks about them.

Isaiah 19:24, says in that day there will be a higway coming from Egypt. Where is Egypt? In that day Israel shall be the THIRD (not first) who is Israel when mentioned in the same context with other people of God comming from Egypt and Assyria?

The country we call Egypt today is actually called Misr by its inhabitants. But Misr was a descendant of Ham. Egypt is Africa or the land of Ham as pointed out in KJV chapter 105 and 106. The Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs they were black people speaking a HAMitic language. Even Cairo (KAiro) and KHArtoum if you wish to know are not arabic words. Egypt was formerly called HeKAptah. You would have to got to the blackest Africans in the Sudan or Uganda or Kenya to know what those words mean.
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Posted 28 December 2009 - 04:51 PM

View Postrahj, on 14 December 2009 - 05:42 AM, said:

Whatexactly has Paul Mwazha done to us, to Africa, to humankind, to the church that qualifies him for your claim. Remember there is no offence intended here. The topic is Mapositori, so we crave to proudly share and seek to learn about our African Apostolic religions openly. I want you to tell me/us what Paul Mwazha has done so far which could compare with what the great prophets you mentioned did in their times.

As I promised earlier on I will continue to share with you the mandate on Paul Mwazha of Africa




WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT IS YOUR WORK?

This quesition was posed to Paul Mwazha on 30th March 1965 when he found himself in top flight in a vision with two other angelic beings, one of old age and the other young almost a child. It is the older one who asked that question. (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa part 2.)

Before giving Paul’s response we look at some experiences in the life of the African Apostolic Church that testify to the appropriateness of his response. Recently on 7th July, 2007 at a holy communion gathering at Mapembe for believers in Manicaland and Mozambique, Chief Kashiri gave an astounding testimony. Chief Kashiri had nothing to do with the African Apostolic Church until about a month ago. He held a respectable position in one of the mainstream churches and had no business changing churches. He saw in a dream a man clad in white garments, he stood with his bible and shepherd staff in his left hand and he had his right hand raised up and seemed to touch the heavens. The Chief realised that the man was pleading with the heavens on behalf of mankind, a voice said to the chief, “Go and testify these things you have seen, you have no other work beside that.” In the dream, he was immediately lead to a congregation of the African Apostolic Church where he saw Paul Mwazha seated in a chair among other believers. He was given a seat beside Paul Mwazha but there was something about him such that one could not look him in the face or point a finger at him. Albeit this difficulty he was convinced that Paul was the person he saw in the dream. Chief Kashiri says he stood up as if to testify what he had experienced but one of the elders near him stopped him and said, “You may not testify until one of the elders has laid his hands on you and you have been baptized in the name of Jesus.” The chief woke up and for the first time in his life he was engulfed in the power of the Holy Spirit. Compare with this, “And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And swear by him who liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven and earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, and there should be no time longer. Rev 10:5,6. Remember Paul  Mwazha has already warned about “The time of the end.”

What other works have been done by the Lord Jesus Christ through the humble hands of his servant Paul?
In 1960 a pastor of the African Apostolic Church Rev Joseph Chakawa came to Paul’s homestead in Chirasauta with one Austen Mucha and his wife. They had had five children and all had died in infancy (cotdeaths). Rev Chakawa presented their case to Paul who was equally pained and surprised at what the Pastor had in mind. “So what do you think can be done Reverend?” Paul inquired. The Pastor said, “I have come with this couple to you, man of God, so that you may pray for them to your God that they may have children who live into adulthood.” Later Paul took the three to a prayer mountain where he prayed for the couple in the name of Jesus. Instantly God through the Holy Spirit spoke to Paul and prophecied the total number of children they would bear; and named the first child Tsitsi(mercy) because the Lord had had mercy on them. All in all they later had eight children who have lived into adulthood and Mucha and his wife today are proud grand parents. Later on, the barren, who could not conceive came to Paul and had their barrenness erased in the name of Jesus and were able to conceive and bare children. From that time Paul began to pray for people with problems of this nature including those who have had children of one gender and wanted a different gender in their next attempt. To this day Paul prays for such people. (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa part 2). We read in the Old Testament that Samson’s mother was barren and God had to send an angel to reverse it. (Judges 13:3). This is the same story as with the birth of Isaac. (Gen 19:10). The birth of John the Baptist was preceded by the visitation of an angel because Elizabeth was also barren. (Luke 1:13). Paul uses the spoken word in the name of Jesus to command barrenness to be erased. This is how angels did it.  

On 22nd June, 1984 during the cold war Paul Mwazha, in a vision saw two hawks one from the east and the other one from the west battling it out in mid air and the whole world shook as if there was an earthquake. Paul pleaded with them “Kwete!” “Kwete!” “Kwete!”(No! No! No!) Raising his right hand. The birds on hearing him they looked at him and flew towards him and landed on his outstratched hands and transformed into human beings, and began to talk peace. From the horizon the Sun rose like a red fire ball and Paul shouted, NdiJehova! (It is Jehovah!). When he woke up Paul announced to the whole congregation that there would never be a Nuclear war between the United States and the Soviet Union because Jehovah God had stopped it. From then on, we saw developments towards a unipolar world. In the Old Testament during Israel’s wars, Angels would intervene to assist him or to cause confusion among his enemies to avert wars. This was specific work  assigned to Angels. In (Numbers 22:22) an angel appeared to Balaam to prevent him from helping Balak wage war with Israel. Thus conflict was averted. When the Syrians had besieged Samaria God send a host of angels to make the sound of chariots and horses inside the city and the Syrians ran away in fright, thus another conflict was averted by angels.(2 Kings 7:6).    

At Zengeza 2 shopping centre on 9th June 2007, the people of Zengeza saw for themselves the power of God where Paul commanded to many people who came limping with crutches to leave them behind and walk in the name of Jesus. One spectacular case was one woman who was walking in excruciating pain with crutches, the pains she said dated several months back. Paul simply asked her, “Do you believe Jesus can heal you?” when she said yes, Paul shook her hand in blessing and she could not believe herself when instantly she could walk freely without crutches and the pain disappeared. She could only shed tears of joy. Even her relatives could not believe it. We understand the following morning when the new converts were baptized she was one of the first to arrive at the site. The following Saturday, 16th June, Paul was at Zengeza 2 shopping center again. One young woman was engulfed by the Holy Spirit and ran and knelt before Paul who prayed for her for a long time. After the blessing, she rose up and went to the back rows of the women congregation, then all of a sudden we heard the clapping of hands and ululation. We then saw the young woman walking again to Paul followed by another woman walking unsteadily. It turned out that the young lady using the power put into her by Paul through prayer, had commanded the wheel chair bound woman to stand up and walk. She had suffered a stroke and had not walked since then. On these two Saturdays 1354 people were converted to the African Apostolic Church.

Many incidents of Paul “appearing” to assist people in crises like illnesses, potential accidents or when people are about to be mugged have been reported where Paul came to the rescue in a physical vision. Another spectacular case is one of a bus carrying children of St Columbus School and their teachers in Honde Valley travelling in an opposite direction to a heavy duty truck on the same road. A headon accident was in the cooking as one of the drivers encroached onto the other's side round a blind corner only for the two drivers to apply emergency brakes to avoid hitting an Old man in the middle of the road who they both “saw” aimlessly crossing. A potential disaster was averted. The drivers were able to identify the “man” they both claimed to have seen when one of the children in the bus gave them a cover picture of the Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa with Paul’s picture. If this is not the work of angels we don’t know what then is.

Now on the 30th March 1965 one of the two beings with whom he was in flight in a vision asked, “Who are you and what is your work?” Paul responded without hesitation, “I am the Angel of Africa, the only Ernest Mwazha in Southern Rhodesia,” as the country was then known. Paul’s full name is Ernest Paul Mwazha.

And he said unto them, Behold now, there is in this city a man of God, and he is an honorable man, all that he saith cometh to pass: now let us go thither: peradventure he can shew us our way that we should go. 1 Samuel 9:6.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 06:41 PM

“UNKNOWN” (ASINGAZIKANWE)

The year was 1960 and the date 30th April. Paul Mwazha had this unique revelation where he found himself and twelve others on top of a high mountain in a land in the east. The thirteen of them were deep in prayer and all of them engulfed by the Holy Spirit. After their prayers they came down from the mountain and wanted to go back to their land in the West. There was a river that flowed from North to South and in order to go back they decided to swim across it. They all dived into the water and on reaching the bank they came out of the water but realized that they hadn’t moved an inch, they had remained in the eastern side, now each one of them was holding a piece of white paper with a capital letter of the alphabet written on it. Typical letters were M, P etc, and  Paul's card had letter U on it. Paul collected the pieces of paper from every one while giving the ticket holder a name according to his letter. For P the holder he named him Peter, for M he would call him Mark and so on. When it came to his own letter, U, he couldn’t figure out what name to give himself. One of the twelve volunteered to try and search the name in the power of the Holy Spirit. He went into a trance and failed. Each one of them tried with no success, at last Paul said, “Let me have my piece of paper back,” and was immediately in Spirit. “Unknown! That is my name,” he declared. “Do you remember the scripture which says, ….but standeth one among you whom ye know not.”  From that day Paul knew that this revelation confirmed that The African Apostolic Church was based on the ...foundation of the Apostles and Prophets with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20). (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa part 2)

True to this sense, Paul Mwazha is Mysterious not only with these practical testimonies that are recorded chronologically in Part 1 and Part 2, but he also has interceded in many many unrecorded incidents in political and social circumstances in Africa and the World as a whole. The number of phone calls to him have fold many times over from people who have recognised his picture from the website. Practical apparations of his image and dream encounters are credited with 'devine intervention powers' in all cases. He is God's earth messenger who was commissioned to nourish hungry, bewildered, dejected, lost, divided, betrayed souls with the truth which cannot be shamed, serving as the end time Angel and Priest on behalf of Our Sovereign Heavenly Father.

P - priest
A - and        
U - unknown
L - leader.  

The following is a testimony given in 2007 Easter holiday gathering at
Guvambwa by one elderly Pastor of the African Apostolic Church which confirms the
mystery of the identity of Paul Mwazha. Reverend Hwindingwi is an elderly man in his
late sixties or early seventies, who resides in Mhondoro. Until last year he suffered from
diabetes. He would miss many national church gatherings because of his condition. Last
year at a district church meeting with the church leader of Mashonaland West province,
Bishop Mukasa, Hwindingwi told his health problems to his leader who listened
attentively. After Hwindingwi had finished his narration, Mukasa simply said, “Your
diabetes is cured, you are healed. ”This is what shocked Hwindingwi, it was Mukasa
speaking but the voice was that of Paul Mwazha. Just to confirm what he was hearing,
Hwindingwi asked, “What is it that you said?” The answer was the same, “Your diabetes
is cured, you are healed.” The voice was unmistakably Mwazha’s but it was Mukasa
speaking. Hwindingwi thought there was something wrong with his own mind. He went
to the  gents to relieve himself, came back  and again asked,“You said my diabetes is
cured, is  that right? The reply was again “Yes, you no longer have diabetes, have faith.”
Again the voice was that of Paul but it was Mukasa speaking yet Paul Mwazha was
somewhere in Harare at the time. There were tears of joy as Rev Hwindingwi was narrating to
Paul and other church leaders this mysterious experience that has changed his life. He
says from that day he has not suffered from diabetes and it is now almost a year. “…for I
will perform works in your days, which ye will not believe, though it be told you.”
Hab 1:5.

From Hwindingwi’s and other people’s experiences it is obviously difficult to figure out
what sort of man Mwazha is. A man who can “appear” to people miles away or in
this case a man who can “speak” through someone else yet there would be distances
apart. A man whom many people have “met” in their dreams helping them in difficult
circumstances and in real life the particular problem would then be solved or Paul would
encourage someone to turn to God  in a dream and the person would recognize him
when he meets him in real life when he has  converted to the African Apostolic Church.
Paul would not even be aware of these happenings. It is the almighty who would be
sending him on his behalf. “Ndianiko watingatuma, ndiani angatiendera?” (Who shall we
commission, who shall go for us?) The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha Part 1.  
This is truly a mystery and confirms Paul Mwazha’s vision in which when he was taken
up to the second heaven, he was  surprised at what he saw. He had seen four beasts
that spoke a language that was not of man. Rev 5:6. He had knelt down and
prayed thus, “Blessed thou art  Oh Lord, for mysterious are the ways of thy salvation.”
(Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa Part 1.)

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 12:01 AM

Madzibaba, Nisan, where are you in the house?

There should be some interesting developments this year so keep logged on.
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Posted 05 January 2010 - 06:03 AM

View PostOjo, on 03 January 2010 - 12:01 AM, said:

Madzibaba, Nisan, where are you in the house?

There should be some interesting developments this year so keep logged on.



Hey, I only learnt today that we are back to the old kinda accounts. the 'new' versions were a nightmare for some of us.

Ojo, how are you? Am so so blessed to be in 2010. means our God still has a purpose for me. and that He intends that I learn more and serve Him more. You too!



am seriously thinking of visiting you Ojo. Its now jus a matter of few dollars then I will be airborne. On introspection, I find myself  a better person because of this forum and all your contributions. Keep it up!



Happy '10 to everyone1 Truly God has a grand Purpose for all of you. You are the chosen ones for 2010. May God Bless you and may God bless Africa!!!  





Life goes from bad to worse,
Very soon, very much soon,
Times will lead to the end.
If the sun must set for me
If all must come to an end
If you must be rid of me.

KILL ME QUICK.As you have done with all my friends
.
..................................................................
There is No place Like Home.
There is no Peace like God
......................my nostalgia,
Running To the end.

PEACE!!!

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Posted 05 January 2010 - 06:16 AM

I dug a bit about Islam during the holiday and during the festive season. came to the conclusion that Jowani Masowe weChishanu is the modern version of Islam in its original form. Ver few differences and also thought kuti since tisingabvumidzwe kunamata nevarungu, those few white people who want to be Jowani Masowe vaPositori can just be Moslem and tolerate the few differences.

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the supreme council/Dare, (spiritual)descendents of Abraham, shave heads, white garments, shoes off, Thursday to full day Friday, tolerance to polygamy, own education systems, not very welcome to some western/human rights laws etc
Life goes from bad to worse,
Very soon, very much soon,
Times will lead to the end.
If the sun must set for me
If all must come to an end
If you must be rid of me.

KILL ME QUICK.As you have done with all my friends
.
..................................................................
There is No place Like Home.
There is no Peace like God
......................my nostalgia,
Running To the end.

PEACE!!!

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Posted 10 January 2010 - 09:09 PM

HE WAS GIVEN THE GIFT OF CONVERTING SOULS FOR THE LORD

In a revelation in 1984 Paul Mwazha observed many quelea birds that filled the whole sky and he decided to catch some of them using local glue (urimbo). As the birds landed on the trap they were transformed into men and women all wearing white gowns. (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa part2). This gift of the Holy Spirit of harvesting souls for the Lord has seen The African Apostolic Church grow from humble beginnings in 1959 to one of the major and one of the fastest growing churches in the country and is spreading to all corners of the world.

A similar revelation pointing to the growth of the church took place in the same year on 10th April 1984. Paul Mwazha was with a group of church members by the river side intending to catch the thousands of tiny fish that darted in the clear water. The scenery immediately changed and he was at a large church gathering at the opposite side of the river bank. He walked towards the river bank and noticed some of the church members preparing to bath but the river had dried up. Paul then turned away and walked away from the dried up river towards the valley but turned to look back after a while and noticed an amazing thing happening. From his foot prints sprang forth water which fed into the river and within moments the river was flowing once more. (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa, part 2). “And Moses swore on that day, saying, Surely, the land whereon thy feet have trodden shall be thine inheritance, and thy children’s for ever, because thou hast wholly followed the Lord my God.” Joshua 14:9.

In 1965 the voice of the unseen had proclaimed, “Chechi iyi ichakura setsanga yemustarita.”  (This church shall grow like the mustard seed). (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa, part 2). In fulfillment of these revelations wherever Paul Mwazha goes to preach the gospel and sets his foot on that soil, many people from all walks of life have turned to God in greater numbers than ever before.

Indeed the church has grown so much that it is no longer logistically possible to gather all people in one place for holy communion as was possible in previous years. There would be over three hundred hired buses and hundreds of cars at such national gatherings making the administration of such huge crowds rather challenging. It has been decided that single provinces hold their Holy Communion gathering at designated times. Even then the numbers in these provincial gathering are increasing such that in future it might be desirable to have gathering by districts or some smaller areas of demarcation.  

The holy communion which Paul Mwazha is giving to believers has biblical references as commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ; Luke 22:19,20; Mark 14:22,23; John 6:51,54; Matt26:26-28; 1Cor 11:23-25 as well as from revelations documented in the Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa. This particular revelation goes like this: On Tuesday 2nd April 1968, Paul Mwazha in a vision entered a temple in the land of the living. He was among those who took part in the preparation of the bread and wine for holy communion in the temple above. After the ceremony he was given a bottle of blessed holy wine and was instructed to share it with believers on our earth. (The Divine Commission of Paul Mwazha of Africa, part 2). There is holy communion in heaven as the Lord said in Matt 26:29, “But I say unto you, I will not drink hence of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my father’s kingdom.” The holy communion held in The African Apostolic Church is therefore not as given by man but is from heaven above.


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Posted 11 January 2010 - 07:42 AM

http://news.bbc.co.u...ica/8448335.stm

In Jowani Masowe we were told that the issue of mines would be the last sign before the coming of the end to the beauty of our beloved country.
As we were warned that farms would be taken away from them whites and be given to the blacks. But Vapositori were told never to touch such land and remain in our 'tribal trust lands' because such, we were told, were just foretelling signs of an empending episode of untold suffering ahead.

Makadii, makadii, makadii vanoera vaMwari....
Life goes from bad to worse,
Very soon, very much soon,
Times will lead to the end.
If the sun must set for me
If all must come to an end
If you must be rid of me.

KILL ME QUICK.As you have done with all my friends
.
..................................................................
There is No place Like Home.
There is no Peace like God
......................my nostalgia,
Running To the end.

PEACE!!!

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 11:07 AM

Nissan,
Yes, I know that there is something about minerals - even though I have never really gotten the details.

But what I am sure about is that Zimbabwe has plenty of mineral weath - exploited and unexploited.

Exploited because Zimbabwe's minerals were the basis of the formation LONRHO (London-Rhodesia). And I know that gold was being mined in Rhodesia even when Baba Johane was born in 1914. Because one of the first person who predicted what happened was actually a European mine boss.

Am aware that Zimbabwe still has mines today. With more - including Uranium comming up.

From my reading, I said before in this forum that there is a book called:"Tiny Rowlands and the Ugly Face of Neo-Colonialism in Africa that asserts that Zimbabwe probably has more minerals than SA.

From my Church history I know that there was a there was a time that people walking with Baba Johane were grumbling over money. He told them to dig somewhere and voila! There was gold. So they moved over but the wakomana there were a bit "sharp" and maked the place with sticks. Only to find a huge hill over the same sport on th next day!

Finally there was an old Ndebele man in Nairobi. He saw a vision of his land in Zimbabawe. The man was about 90. He went back and called geologists and when they came they found that there were plenty minerals.
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 06:38 AM

Yeah, such used to happen. Personally I experienced it first hand. I was shown a small hill in Mtoko where I was told that below beneath that was all gold. And was told zim is full of minerals of all kinds, much more than any other country on earth. Also that the mining that has happened so far has just scratched the surface. and that Abrahama haavhure hapwa pane vatorwa. Time will come when foreign ownership of the real resources or the means of production for such comes to an end, then Abraham will show true endowment of this land zim.

remember we were told and we believe zim is an 'African' Egypt, soon to be turned into 'Canaan. Canaan the promised land of Abraham... and the 'African' chosen people


Life goes from bad to worse,
Very soon, very much soon,
Times will lead to the end.
If the sun must set for me
If all must come to an end
If you must be rid of me.

KILL ME QUICK.As you have done with all my friends
.
..................................................................
There is No place Like Home.
There is no Peace like God
......................my nostalgia,
Running To the end.

PEACE!!!

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 08:49 AM

http://denfordmagora...y-zimbabwe.html

Finish! Its sad to our national politics the way its slowly unfolding. But this also was told us. Way back in 1975. The vision was, 'ndaona kajongwe kadiki (kaIndia) karwisana nejongwe guru. ndaona jongwe guru ratsvuka muchochoror ravakukurirwa. Asi ndazoona nenguva isipi, kajngwe kadiki kaya karwiswa zvinotyisa kachibva kakurirwa. Ndaona kajongwe kaye kazofa'

Dudziro yakati mberi kwamurikuenda ndazoona bato richatonga nyika ino, richange riine muchererchedzo wejongwe. Ndaona bato iri rarwiswa nerimwe bato richakwikwidza zvekutosvika pakukurirwa. Ndiro chete bato randaona richatambudza bato richatonga nyika ino. Asi ndazoona bato idzva riya razokrirwa zvekusazonzwa nezvaro zvachose.' Those who care and who can, may translate this for me.

I think we are also almost there on this one. If the above article is not convincing enough, then we have all the time in this world, to wait and see.

Rufaro Kwamuri
Life goes from bad to worse,
Very soon, very much soon,
Times will lead to the end.
If the sun must set for me
If all must come to an end
If you must be rid of me.

KILL ME QUICK.As you have done with all my friends
.
..................................................................
There is No place Like Home.
There is no Peace like God
......................my nostalgia,
Running To the end.

PEACE!!!

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 05:05 PM

View PostGab, on 15 December 2009 - 01:46 AM, said:

I would rather have an african Paul than a Moses!!!!!!!!
Nguva yemirairo yakapfuura, tavakufamba muMweya. Nguva inoya nazvino yatovapo yekuti vanonamata Mwari vamunamate muMweya neMuzvokwadi? Zvesabata zvakapfuura (Romans 14).
Ndozvamuno nyeperana, izvozvo!, Sabbata harisati rapfuura, rinopfuura Jesu paanodzoka kepiri, Sabbata forever muface.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 08:30 PM

View PostMahwan, on 12 January 2010 - 05:05 PM, said:

Ndozvamuno nyeperana, izvozvo!, Sabbata harisati rapfuura, rinopfuura Jesu paanodzoka kepiri, Sabbata forever muface.


For this one I will add kuti kunyange muConfision faith (Japanese) Sabbata irimo,
Muchivanhu chedu Zimbabwe kare-kare zuva iri rainzi zuvarerusere (Saturday) raiereswa nemunhu wese.
MuchiIslam chaimo Quran inoti:

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 154
And for their covenant, We raised over them the Mount and (on the other occasion) We said: "Enter the gate prostrating (or bowing) with humility;" and We commanded them: "Transgress not (by doing worldly works) on the Sabbath (Saturday)." And We took from them a firm covenant[].
Translation : Eng-Dr. Mohsin

Sura 2 - Al-Baqara (MADINA) : Verse 65
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath; We said to them: "Be ye apes despised and rejected."
Translation : Eng-Yusuf Ali

Sura 16 - An-Nahl (MAKKA) : Verse 124
The Sabbath was only prescribed for those who differed concerning it, and verily, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they used to differ
Translation : Eng-Dr. Mohsin

Sura 7 - Al-Araf (MAKKA) : Verse 163
Ask them (O Muhammad) of the township that was by the sea, how they did break the Sabbath, how their big fish came unto them visibly upon their Sabbath day and on a day when they did not keep Sabbath came they not unto them. Thus did We try them for that they were evil-livers.
Translation : Eng-Pickthal-Audio

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 47
O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.
Translation : Eng-Pickthal-Audio

Muchikristu new testament the word Sabbath appears more than 95 times.

Zinoshamisa kuti munhu anorasika mumba yeround!!!!.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 10:26 PM

View PostMastermind, on 12 January 2010 - 08:49 PM, said:

LOL!!!! MY FRIEND, THE BIBLE CAN AND FULFILL ITSELF. YOU KNOW YOUR ARGUMENT HAS LOST ALL CREDIBILTY WHEN YOU BORROW FROM OTHER RELIGIONS IN ORDER TO "FULFILL" SCRIPTURE. WHAT YOU WROTE ABOVE HAS NO CREDIBILTY I'M SORRY.

Mastermind, It just shows that religion itself is monosubstituted! especially on fundamentals. It also may help you appreciate that these numerous systems of worship evolved over time from a single system and I do want to talk about that but I for one believe in the religion of Jesus Christ. Thank you.

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 10:29 PM

monosubstituted,??, There is no substitution for the truth

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Posted 12 January 2010 - 10:59 PM

View PostMahwan, on 12 January 2010 - 10:29 PM, said:

monosubstituted,??, There is no substitution for the truth

You seem to have lost what its implying here, Mahwan look it up!!

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 08:20 PM

View PostMastermind, on 13 January 2010 - 12:20 AM, said:

I will say it again, quoting the Qu'aran in a Chrisitan debate has to be the most flabbergasting thing I have ever come across. You seem to be articulate and I really expect better from you, even if we agree on absolutely nothing!!! :)


Im not surprised Mastermind, lately you so keen on picking on me as a person more than on the subject and direction of discussion. Being a truth seeker as I am I am not ashamed of a genuine, rational, sober presentation on matters of religion. Your problems or discomfort with other faiths is not mine. Here is something about the Buddhism too.

"The Blessed One established the rule for observance of a Sabbath; and he suggested that at the seventh-day meeting any monk whose conscience troubled him should confess his offense before the assembly of brothers." –Sheldon Cheney in Men Who Have Walked With God.  (1956), p. 69.

Hal Holbrook Arthur Lloyd, in his book The Creed of Half Japan, states that the "order of monks kept their sabbath days for many centuries..."( Arthur Lloyd, The Creed of Half Japan (1912), p. 16


And finally, some chronobiologists are convinced that the seven-day cycle is designed into our very nature. “The seven-day biorhythm in the human body is one of the recent discoveries of modern chronobiology. It manifests itself in the form of small variations in blood pressure and heartbeat as well as response to infection and even organ transplant: for example, the probability of rejection of certain organs is now known to peak at weekly intervals following an implant."(The Empires of time)



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